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SultanOfSwing Jan 27th 2020 2:57 am

Re: PM Boris
 

Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 12796660)
..... are the EU coming over with their bombers then?

Just go back, reread it and think for a second or two.

dave_j Jan 27th 2020 4:52 am

Re: PM Boris
 
There's a maxim that states "hard cases make bad law". What this implies, among other things, is that once emotions are raised then logical thinking's lost.
The result of the referendum has certainly increased blood pressures and squirted a dose of brain deadening emotion throughout.
But whether the result was awful, cannot yet be ascertained, these things are generated by time passing.
For example.
The question has been asked, and I paraphrase, "Is this the worst electoral decision since the end of WW2?"
Well imagine you were a voter in the UK at the 1997 general election. I was and although I can't remember, it's likely I voted for Blair. I'd witnessed the advent of New Labour following the awful Labour years before and this young charismatic leader certainly made me feel like he'd be a good leader, emotions were high.
But time passes, and to my never ending shame this man, by his actions, created mayhem, murder and destruction in the middle east for no other reason than he wanted a strong legacy and he had the means to achieve it by sucking up to Bush. Had the 1997 election not been won by Labour then it's possible that hundreds of thousands of Iraqis might still be alive and IS might not now be a fact of life.
Of course we'll never know, but I'd argue that electing Blair in the first place was catastrophic. Who knows, but I suspect a Gordon Brown, becoming leader after a failed election, would not have been so adventurous and as his actions in the 2008 financial crisis demonstrated, he could be and was a steady leader.
The referendum may turn out to be as bad, but we'll only know as time passes. The 1997 outcome felt good at the time but it led to everlasting ignominy, it made me ashamed to be british.



Paul_Shepherd Jan 27th 2020 5:08 am

Re: PM Boris
 

Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 12796772)
There's a maxim that states "hard cases make bad law". What this implies, among other things, is that once emotions are raised then logical thinking's lost.
The result of the referendum has certainly increased blood pressures and squirted a dose of brain deadening emotion throughout.
But whether the result was awful, cannot yet be ascertained, these things are generated by time passing.
For example.
The question has been asked, and I paraphrase, "Is this the worst electoral decision since the end of WW2?"
Well imagine you were a voter in the UK at the 1997 general election. I was and although I can't remember, it's likely I voted for Blair. I'd witnessed the advent of New Labour following the awful Labour years before and this young charismatic leader certainly made me feel like he'd be a good leader, emotions were high.
But time passes, and to my never ending shame this man, by his actions, created mayhem, murder and destruction in the middle east for no other reason than he wanted a strong legacy and he had the means to achieve it by sucking up to Bush. Had the 1997 election not been won by Labour then it's possible that hundreds of thousands of Iraqis might still be alive and IS might not now be a fact of life.
Of course we'll never know, but I'd argue that electing Blair in the first place was catastrophic. Who knows, but I suspect a Gordon Brown, becoming leader after a failed election, would not have been so adventurous and as his actions in the 2008 financial crisis demonstrated, he could be and was a steady leader.
The referendum may turn out to be as bad, but we'll only know as time passes. The 1997 outcome felt good at the time but it led to everlasting ignominy, it made me ashamed to be british.

:goodpost:

Perfectly said! I am actually pleased to say I didnt fall into the Blair trap....never trusted him, and I was right not to....because of the reasons you have hi lighted...plus he also sowed the seeds that contribute to the beginning of the break up of the United Kingdom just to gain more labour votes in Scotland..... Blair was all about making a name for himself and to hell with the country.....he as the beginning of the career politician...himself first....the country second....if at all.

DaveLovesDee Jan 27th 2020 5:09 am

Re: PM Boris
 

Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 12796647)
No one is going to die post brexit are they.


Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12796653)
Technically, everyone is.


Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 12796660)
..... are the EU coming over with their bombers then?


Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12796675)
Just go back, reread it and think for a second or two.


Paul_Shepherd Jan 27th 2020 5:14 am

Re: PM Boris
 

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12796675)
Just go back, reread it and think for a second or two.


I know what some are trying to say, but leaving a political union is not on par with a world war....no matter now strongly someone feels about brexit..... thats just personal emotion talking. Time will tell all.....The 3 years of limbo in my opinion have been more damaging.to the UK.

Paul_Shepherd Jan 27th 2020 5:16 am

Re: PM Boris
 

Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12796792)

Good tune.

SultanOfSwing Jan 27th 2020 5:39 am

Re: PM Boris
 

Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 12796798)
I know what some are trying to say, but leaving a political union is not on par with a world war....no matter now strongly someone feels about brexit..... thats just personal emotion talking. Time will tell all.....The 3 years of limbo in my opinion have been more damaging.to the UK.

You actually didn't get it, did you?

DaveLovesDee Jan 27th 2020 6:33 am

Re: PM Boris
 

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12796810)
You actually didn't get it, did you?

FFS, SoS. Will you explain it to him.......

SultanOfSwing Jan 27th 2020 6:36 am

Re: PM Boris
 

Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12796848)
FFS, SoS. Will you explain it to him.......

Can I tell him about the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide first?

Paul_Shepherd Jan 27th 2020 7:40 am

Re: PM Boris
 

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12796810)
You actually didn't get it, did you?

Ive been living in North America for too long.... :ohmy:

SultanOfSwing Jan 27th 2020 7:43 am

Re: PM Boris
 

Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 12796881)
Ive been living in North America for too long.... :ohmy:

That's no excuse, so have I.

scrubbedexpat099 Jan 27th 2020 7:49 am

Re: PM Boris
 
I think Boris could be there a very long time.

Rebecca Long-Bailey has said it is “bollocks” to claim voters don’t want socialism, despite Labour’s heavy election defeat.

The shadow business secretary, who is a favourite to be the party’s next leader, also accused Labour MPs of deleting shadow cabinet files in an effort to undermine Jeremy Corbyn.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...ef=uk-homepage

DaveLovesDee Jan 27th 2020 9:45 am

Re: PM Boris
 

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12796849)
Can I tell him about the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide first?

Can you not multi-task? Or are you already making a sandwich as well?


Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12796889)
I think Boris could be there a very long time.

Rebecca Long-Bailey has said it is “bollocks” to claim voters don’t want socialism, despite Labour’s heavy election defeat.

The shadow business secretary, who is a favourite to be the party’s next leader, also accused Labour MPs of deleting shadow cabinet files in an effort to undermine Jeremy Corbyn.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...ef=uk-homepage

I would suggest many traditional Labour voters voted for a socialist party with socialist policies in the last two elections. Labour only lost 330,000-ish votes in December, compared with their previous election result 2.5 years previously.

Almost Canadian Jan 27th 2020 11:15 am

Re: PM Boris
 

Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 12796881)
Ive been living in North America for too long.... :ohmy:

We are all dying. Think of what else is certain, besides taxes.

mikelincs Jan 27th 2020 9:04 pm

Re: PM Boris
 

Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 12796881)
Ive been living in North America for too long.... :ohmy:

OK I'll explain, in words of few syllables, Brexit will be 31st January, and, unless you are unlucky enough to die before then, and some people will, you will die afteer Brexit, the date that it, not of something caused by Brexit, although in the UK there may well be thousands, but everyone else in the WORLD will die after Brexit. It's nothing to do with Brexit, it's just the date.


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