Re: PM Boris
 

Yes, you're right, I can't think of a single reason why an arch-Remainer former Chancellor, an arch-Remainer former Treasury Secretary and an arch-Remainer former Change UK party candidate would want to smear the motives of the former leader of the official Leave Campaign and current pro-Brexit Prime Minister :rolleyes:

Re: PM Boris
 

And some are happy to believe anything, however incredible, without question so long as it supports their worldview.

Re: PM Boris
 

I think, blah blah blah . . .

Re: PM Boris
 

Not sure sibling rivalry is really smearing. Brother Jo not too keen either.

Re: PM Boris
 

That can be said of the entire Johnson clan. Johnson Sr. was a MEP and worked for the EU Commission in the 1970s and even Boris is actually rather more ambivalent than his political ambition allows him to be.

Re: PM Boris
 

More than one, myself included, have suggested tales of wrong doing by one side tend to be believed by the other side without serious questioning because such tales reinforce their own beliefs.
Now fact checking such tales is difficult so it's easy to run with these tales in the knowledge that if challenged it'll be our word against theirs and neither side really knows what's true so what's wrong with that?
This latest thread dispute centers around the claim, made by political animals, that Johnson's backers have been betting on a no-deal and that this is the reason he acts as he does in order to enrich them and probably himself.
I don't doubt that some backers have been betting on a no-deal, but we don't hear of any betting on other events, eg elections etc. Now Johnson has been pushing for an election so why haven't we heard that his backers been betting on that? If there is apparently so much money and pressure riding on a no-deal event on 31st October, why did he give in and send his letter, why not refuse to do so and brazen it out and why push so hard for an election and why attempt to push through a deal that would exclude no-deal?
The imputation that Johnson acts as he does to benefit his backers is simply smearing without evidence because that's what some want to hear.
'Ahhh', I hear you say, 'Surely the accusation from his loving sister must be believed'. Well, that's the problem with families, members disagree and political members disagree violently and Rachel is far from being the impartial apolitical loving sister.
'Ahhh', I hear you say, 'But this is backed up by his erstwhile political associates'. Well that's the problem with politicians, when they're not stabbing their opponents in the front they're stabbing their friends in the back and if they've been let go then they stab them front and back.
Now I'm not saying the rumours being spread are false, but I wouldn't give them the full blooded credence that some do without a shred of proof and I don't take accusations by any with axes to grind as impartial utterings of proof.

Re: PM Boris
 

There, fixing that quote might expain why a lot of people are argueing for a re-run of the referendum now all the machinations, problems and lies have been disclosed. Even Juncker is saying that Johnson and the leave campaign lied.

Re: PM Boris
 

Re: PM Boris
 

From one as gifted in many subjects of direct interest to BE members as yourself, that is a particularly puerile contribution.

Re: PM Boris
 

Have they? The NCA has thrown out the case against Arron Banks. The Electoral Commission has done the same with the case against Darren Grimes. Saying “even” Juncker is anti-Brexit is hardly making your case.

Re: PM Boris
 

Until someone can make the case for the hedge fund conspiracy with something more than simply appealing to Remainer authority then you expect more of the same. No-one can because if they did they would know it’s complete b*llocks.

Re: PM Boris
 

That's a bit strong. Hedge funds do stand to gain from a no deal Brexit. Senior Conservatives, for example Johnson and JRM, are rich men who invest in hedge funds. Senior Conservatives do want a no deal Brexit even though, as rich men, they would seem to have a lot to lose from the resultant collapse of the British economy. If their long term losses are not offset by short term gains why would they want a no deal Brexit?

Re: PM Boris
 

What, pray, is the Remainer authority?

Re: PM Boris
 

You made an appeal to authority; it's a logical fallacy. Just because Philip Hammond says it's true doesn't make it true, doubly so in light of his Remain bias.

Re: PM Boris
 

If every single one of your assumptions weren't incorrect you might have the beginning of a valid argument there.