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Oakvillian Sep 13th 2019 7:01 am

Re: PM Boris
 

Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 12735118)
I tend to agree with your reasoning... but I wonder how attitudes could change were Ireland to look on the proposal, if that's what it evolves into, favourably?
The EU has deferred to Ireland in this matter in the past but, as you say, I can't see it allowing others to have access to a veto over it's affairs, whereas it's prepared to do the same to others.

Not quite sure I follow you here. The EU has always allowed national governments a veto over a wide range of matters (including, of course, the UK while it is still a member). But it hasn't allowed - and is unlikely to allow, even with the agreement of Ireland - a regional assembly or sub-national government to have a veto over EU decisions. That's simply not how it works.

DaveLovesDee Sep 13th 2019 7:17 am

Re: PM Boris
 

Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 12735118)
I tend to agree with your reasoning... but I wonder how attitudes could change were Ireland to look on the proposal, if that's what it evolves into, favourably?

There's no reason to look at that suggestion favourably. It's a non-starter.

Ireland is one voice of 27, and those 27 already agreed to a WA with the 28th, the NI government doesn't have the same status in UK politics as the Belgian Parliament gives it's regional governments, and the NI executive hasn't sat since Jan 2017. The DUP is suggesting something it can't achieve, much the same as BoJo became PM.


The EU has deferred to Ireland in this matter in the past but, as you say, I can't see it allowing others to have access to a veto over it's affairs, whereas it's prepared to do the same to others.
As above, there's a massive difference between Belgian Parliamentary rules giving their regional Parliaments a full say in any proposed legislation or agreements, to the UK system where regional assemblies aren't given an automatic say in such things. And Stormont hasn't sat for 2 years and 8 months. How do the DUP expect the NI government to even consider that, when the the DUP are a major part of the reason the NI government isn't functioning.

Shard Sep 13th 2019 10:10 am

Re: PM Boris
 
Interesting to read Cameron's comments on BoJo in his Times interview. He essentially confirms that BoJo wasn't a Brexiter and is critical of his current chicanery.

JamesM Sep 14th 2019 9:09 am

Re: PM Boris
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12735204)
Interesting to read Cameron's comments on BoJo in his Times interview. He essentially confirms that BoJo wasn't a Brexiter and is critical of his current chicanery.

Bojo is simply a career politician. His goal now is just cementing his name in the history books. He really doesn't give a toss for much else as he has hit the top of the ladder by playing the game.

Canuck74 Sep 14th 2019 9:38 am

Re: PM Boris
 
Bojo head for the ditch already! :thumbup:

dave_j Sep 14th 2019 3:10 pm

Re: PM Boris
 
I think that there's some agreement that the election finesse did not work out well at all, but prorogation could still lend our hero some time on the clock, providing the Supreme Court approves the move.
There seems to be a general feeling going around, something I can't quite put my finger on, that our hero is something of a charlatan, a flibbertigibbet, a Del boy with a nice accent, someone whose probably sold his grandmother to buy a decent haircut but couldn't get much for her.
Now I don't put much store by rumour, but if he's as wriggly a worm as some would have us believe then he's capable of disappearing down one hole and popping up through another.
Personally, I'm not as convinced as many seem to be that our hero will end in a ditch, at least not before lining it with some comfortable bedding and a crate of bubbly.
We shall see shortly whether it's going to be Number 10 or The Tower.
I wonder if the Queen will be amused.

JamesM Sep 14th 2019 4:21 pm

Re: PM Boris
 

Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 12735572)
Personally, I'm not as convinced as many seem to be that our hero will end in a ditch, at least not before lining it with some comfortable bedding and a crate of bubbly.
We shall see shortly whether it's going to be Number 10 or The Tower.
I wonder if the Queen will be amused.

Your hero comes from money and has cemented his legacy so he doesn’t worry about where he ends up.

The Queen doesn’t care either as she comes from money too.

BristolUK Sep 15th 2019 10:16 am

Re: PM Boris
 
EU dismay as Boris Johnson compares himself to Hulk


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...84e2e97c9e.png

dave_j Sep 15th 2019 6:36 pm

Re: PM Boris
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12735839)

Imagine that you live in Orwell's 1984. A totalitarian system capable of rewriting history using it's ability to distort reality.
This story does just that. I've Googled this until I'm blue in the face but everywhere I get the returns like..
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...imself-to-hulk
Now I used to think that the Grauniad was a serious source of the truth but Brexit has killed that stone dead.
The TRUE reference refers to an article in the Mail on Sunday... referred to in...
"The Prime Minister told the Mail on Sunday that, like the green-skinned comic book alter-ego of Bruce Banner, the country would "explode out of" its restraints, despite MPs moving to block a no-deal Brexit. "
It's clear that he was comparing the country to the Hulk, but this was deliberately distorted to compare a comic Johnson to the comic book character.
If the Leave group must descend to character assassination to make their case, then it's time they packed up and went home.








Shard Sep 15th 2019 7:27 pm

Re: PM Boris
 

Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 12735901)
Imagine that you live in Orwell's 1984. A totalitarian system capable of rewriting history using it's ability to distort reality.
This story does just that. I've Googled this until I'm blue in the face but everywhere I get the returns like..
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...imself-to-hulk
Now I used to think that the Grauniad was a serious source of the truth but Brexit has killed that stone dead.
The TRUE reference refers to an article in the Mail on Sunday... referred to in...
"The Prime Minister told the Mail on Sunday that, like the green-skinned comic book alter-ego of Bruce Banner, the country would "explode out of" its restraints, despite MPs moving to block a no-deal Brexit. "
It's clear that he was comparing the country to the Hulk, but this was deliberately distorted to compare a comic Johnson to the comic book character.
If the Leave group must descend to character assassination to make their case, then it's time they packed up and went home.

From the DM:

In an exclusive interview with The Mail on Sunday, the Prime Minister says that if negotiations break down, he will ignore the Commons vote ordering him to delay the UK's departure, adding: 'The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets.'

It seems he has extended the metaphor to himself. In any case, it's juvenile imagery. Worse than Trump, and that says something about the current leadership. I suppose it's pitched to appeal to Leavers, and might resonate with them.

As for character assassination, don't you mean Remain group?



DaveLovesDee Sep 15th 2019 8:49 pm

Re: PM Boris
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12735912)
From the DM:

In an exclusive interview with The Mail on Sunday, the Prime Minister says that if negotiations break down, he will ignore the Commons vote ordering him to delay the UK's departure, adding: 'The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets.'

It seems he has extended the metaphor to himself. In any case, it's juvenile imagery. Worse than Trump, and that says something about the current leadership. I suppose it's pitched to appeal to Leavers, and might resonate with them.

Boris is a buffoon.


Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 12735901)
Imagine that you live in Orwell's 1984. A totalitarian system capable of rewriting history using it's ability to distort reality.
This story does just that. I've Googled this until I'm blue in the face but everywhere I get the returns like..
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...imself-to-hulk
Now I used to think that the Grauniad was a serious source of the truth but Brexit has killed that stone dead.
The TRUE reference refers to an article in the Mail on Sunday... referred to in...
"The Prime Minister told the Mail on Sunday that, like the green-skinned comic book alter-ego of Bruce Banner, the country would "explode out of" its restraints, despite MPs moving to block a no-deal Brexit. "
It's clear that he was comparing the country to the Hulk, but this was deliberately distorted to compare a comic Johnson to the comic book character.
If the Leave group must descend to character assassination to make their case, then it's time they packed up and went home.

Where's the character assasination?


Originally Posted by Annetje (Post 12735928)
:lol::lol:

[i]Hollywood actor Mark Ruffalo explains to Boris Johnson why comparing himself to the Incredible Hulk is a bad idea.

[b]"Boris Johnson forgets that the Hulk only fights for the good of the whole. Mad and strong can also be dense and destructive. The Hulk works best when he is in unison with a team, and is a disaster when he is alone. Plus...he’s always got Dr. Banner with science and reason."

It's telling that Johnson uses a dumb character known for his single-mindedness who works best as part of a team with different strengths, and not the scientist alter-ego who isn't aggressive but is one of the brains of the team (and it's moral compass at times). The Hulk smashes, with considerable collateral damage but Banner feels the emotions afterwards.


As for character assassination, don't you mean Remain group?
Don't confuse him with facts.

JamesM Sep 16th 2019 12:17 am

Re: PM Boris
 

Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 12735901)
Imagine that you live in Orwell's 1984. A totalitarian system capable of rewriting history using it's ability to distort reality.
This story does just that. I've Googled this until I'm blue in the face but everywhere I get the returns like..
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...imself-to-hulk
Now I used to think that the Grauniad was a serious source of the truth but Brexit has killed that stone dead.
The TRUE reference refers to an article in the Mail on Sunday... referred to in...
"The Prime Minister told the Mail on Sunday that, like the green-skinned comic book alter-ego of Bruce Banner, the country would "explode out of" its restraints, despite MPs moving to block a no-deal Brexit. "
It's clear that he was comparing the country to the Hulk, but this was deliberately distorted to compare a comic Johnson to the comic book character.
If the Leave group must descend to character assassination to make their case, then it's time they packed up and went home.

The Grauniad has been a poor publication for the best part of a decade now. In fact thanks to the internet and clicks being required to generate revenues there is very little quality in British journalism.

JamesM Sep 16th 2019 12:20 am

Re: PM Boris
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12735912)
From the DM:

In an exclusive interview with The Mail on Sunday, the Prime Minister says that if negotiations break down, he will ignore the Commons vote ordering him to delay the UK's departure, adding: 'The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets.'

It seems he has extended the metaphor to himself. In any case, it's juvenile imagery. Worse than Trump, and that says something about the current leadership. I suppose it's pitched to appeal to Leavers, and might resonate with them.

As for character assassination, don't you mean Remain group?

Unless there is death or sickness there should always be a general election before a national leader is elected. How Boris has got to the top of the greasy poll must be one of the great enigmas of modern society.

It is entertaining though from a distance.

macadian Sep 16th 2019 12:40 am

Re: PM Boris
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 12736023)

It is entertaining though from a distance.

A bit like a Mummers farce?

(Yes, I watch and enjoy 'Game of Thrones', a number of parallels without the actual blood shed?)

dbd33 Sep 16th 2019 1:13 am

Re: PM Boris
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 12736022)
The Grauniad has been a poor publication for the best part of a decade now. In fact thanks to the internet and clicks being required to generate revenues there is very little quality in British journalism.

There are only two UK papers with a successful internet strategy; the Mail and the Gruan. I don't think the quality of journalism in the former has been affected by chasing clicks. In the case of the latter I don't think the news reporting or the better columnists are significantly different. It's just that there's lots of added crap, Australian rugby scores being a trivial but illustrative example; they want clicks in Australia. Given that the internet isn't a particularly profitable venue for news organisations (Mail Online is most profitable but even Metro makes more than half as much profit), how are the publications that are unsuccessful online (Times, Indy, SuperSorawaySun, etc.) altered?


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