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Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12735118)
I tend to agree with your reasoning... but I wonder how attitudes could change were Ireland to look on the proposal, if that's what it evolves into, favourably?
The EU has deferred to Ireland in this matter in the past but, as you say, I can't see it allowing others to have access to a veto over it's affairs, whereas it's prepared to do the same to others. |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12735118)
I tend to agree with your reasoning... but I wonder how attitudes could change were Ireland to look on the proposal, if that's what it evolves into, favourably?
Ireland is one voice of 27, and those 27 already agreed to a WA with the 28th, the NI government doesn't have the same status in UK politics as the Belgian Parliament gives it's regional governments, and the NI executive hasn't sat since Jan 2017. The DUP is suggesting something it can't achieve, much the same as BoJo became PM. The EU has deferred to Ireland in this matter in the past but, as you say, I can't see it allowing others to have access to a veto over it's affairs, whereas it's prepared to do the same to others. |
Re: PM Boris
Interesting to read Cameron's comments on BoJo in his Times interview. He essentially confirms that BoJo wasn't a Brexiter and is critical of his current chicanery.
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Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12735204)
Interesting to read Cameron's comments on BoJo in his Times interview. He essentially confirms that BoJo wasn't a Brexiter and is critical of his current chicanery.
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Re: PM Boris
Bojo head for the ditch already! :thumbup:
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Re: PM Boris
I think that there's some agreement that the election finesse did not work out well at all, but prorogation could still lend our hero some time on the clock, providing the Supreme Court approves the move.
There seems to be a general feeling going around, something I can't quite put my finger on, that our hero is something of a charlatan, a flibbertigibbet, a Del boy with a nice accent, someone whose probably sold his grandmother to buy a decent haircut but couldn't get much for her. Now I don't put much store by rumour, but if he's as wriggly a worm as some would have us believe then he's capable of disappearing down one hole and popping up through another. Personally, I'm not as convinced as many seem to be that our hero will end in a ditch, at least not before lining it with some comfortable bedding and a crate of bubbly. We shall see shortly whether it's going to be Number 10 or The Tower. I wonder if the Queen will be amused. |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12735572)
Personally, I'm not as convinced as many seem to be that our hero will end in a ditch, at least not before lining it with some comfortable bedding and a crate of bubbly.
We shall see shortly whether it's going to be Number 10 or The Tower. I wonder if the Queen will be amused. The Queen doesn’t care either as she comes from money too. |
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This story does just that. I've Googled this until I'm blue in the face but everywhere I get the returns like.. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...imself-to-hulk Now I used to think that the Grauniad was a serious source of the truth but Brexit has killed that stone dead. The TRUE reference refers to an article in the Mail on Sunday... referred to in... "The Prime Minister told the Mail on Sunday that, like the green-skinned comic book alter-ego of Bruce Banner, the country would "explode out of" its restraints, despite MPs moving to block a no-deal Brexit. " It's clear that he was comparing the country to the Hulk, but this was deliberately distorted to compare a comic Johnson to the comic book character. If the Leave group must descend to character assassination to make their case, then it's time they packed up and went home. |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12735901)
Imagine that you live in Orwell's 1984. A totalitarian system capable of rewriting history using it's ability to distort reality.
This story does just that. I've Googled this until I'm blue in the face but everywhere I get the returns like.. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...imself-to-hulk Now I used to think that the Grauniad was a serious source of the truth but Brexit has killed that stone dead. The TRUE reference refers to an article in the Mail on Sunday... referred to in... "The Prime Minister told the Mail on Sunday that, like the green-skinned comic book alter-ego of Bruce Banner, the country would "explode out of" its restraints, despite MPs moving to block a no-deal Brexit. " It's clear that he was comparing the country to the Hulk, but this was deliberately distorted to compare a comic Johnson to the comic book character. If the Leave group must descend to character assassination to make their case, then it's time they packed up and went home. In an exclusive interview with The Mail on Sunday, the Prime Minister says that if negotiations break down, he will ignore the Commons vote ordering him to delay the UK's departure, adding: 'The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets.' It seems he has extended the metaphor to himself. In any case, it's juvenile imagery. Worse than Trump, and that says something about the current leadership. I suppose it's pitched to appeal to Leavers, and might resonate with them. As for character assassination, don't you mean Remain group? |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12735912)
From the DM:
In an exclusive interview with The Mail on Sunday, the Prime Minister says that if negotiations break down, he will ignore the Commons vote ordering him to delay the UK's departure, adding: 'The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets.' It seems he has extended the metaphor to himself. In any case, it's juvenile imagery. Worse than Trump, and that says something about the current leadership. I suppose it's pitched to appeal to Leavers, and might resonate with them.
Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12735901)
Imagine that you live in Orwell's 1984. A totalitarian system capable of rewriting history using it's ability to distort reality.
This story does just that. I've Googled this until I'm blue in the face but everywhere I get the returns like.. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...imself-to-hulk Now I used to think that the Grauniad was a serious source of the truth but Brexit has killed that stone dead. The TRUE reference refers to an article in the Mail on Sunday... referred to in... "The Prime Minister told the Mail on Sunday that, like the green-skinned comic book alter-ego of Bruce Banner, the country would "explode out of" its restraints, despite MPs moving to block a no-deal Brexit. " It's clear that he was comparing the country to the Hulk, but this was deliberately distorted to compare a comic Johnson to the comic book character. If the Leave group must descend to character assassination to make their case, then it's time they packed up and went home.
Originally Posted by Annetje
(Post 12735928)
:lol::lol:
[i]Hollywood actor Mark Ruffalo explains to Boris Johnson why comparing himself to the Incredible Hulk is a bad idea. [b]"Boris Johnson forgets that the Hulk only fights for the good of the whole. Mad and strong can also be dense and destructive. The Hulk works best when he is in unison with a team, and is a disaster when he is alone. Plus...he’s always got Dr. Banner with science and reason." As for character assassination, don't you mean Remain group? |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12735901)
Imagine that you live in Orwell's 1984. A totalitarian system capable of rewriting history using it's ability to distort reality.
This story does just that. I've Googled this until I'm blue in the face but everywhere I get the returns like.. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...imself-to-hulk Now I used to think that the Grauniad was a serious source of the truth but Brexit has killed that stone dead. The TRUE reference refers to an article in the Mail on Sunday... referred to in... "The Prime Minister told the Mail on Sunday that, like the green-skinned comic book alter-ego of Bruce Banner, the country would "explode out of" its restraints, despite MPs moving to block a no-deal Brexit. " It's clear that he was comparing the country to the Hulk, but this was deliberately distorted to compare a comic Johnson to the comic book character. If the Leave group must descend to character assassination to make their case, then it's time they packed up and went home. |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12735912)
From the DM:
In an exclusive interview with The Mail on Sunday, the Prime Minister says that if negotiations break down, he will ignore the Commons vote ordering him to delay the UK's departure, adding: 'The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets.' It seems he has extended the metaphor to himself. In any case, it's juvenile imagery. Worse than Trump, and that says something about the current leadership. I suppose it's pitched to appeal to Leavers, and might resonate with them. As for character assassination, don't you mean Remain group? It is entertaining though from a distance. |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 12736023)
It is entertaining though from a distance. (Yes, I watch and enjoy 'Game of Thrones', a number of parallels without the actual blood shed?) |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 12736022)
The Grauniad has been a poor publication for the best part of a decade now. In fact thanks to the internet and clicks being required to generate revenues there is very little quality in British journalism.
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