SultanOfSwing

And a month of marker-top shits for everyone who voted Tory

DaveLovesDee

May your camel have many fleas, and may your mother-in-law stay for a long time.

From Wales.

magnumpi

macadian

dave_j

On a wider discussion, I'm tempted to ask the question what the result of an election would have been had the remain side not been so fixated on an anti-Boris policy and voted to allow his deal to pass the commons when they had the chance.
The election would not then have been all about brexit but how to choose who would best implement what would have been a done deal.
These what-ifs will no doubt eat away at the 'what might have been if only' policy makers' craniums for some time to come.
I'm tempted to wonder whether it was poor dogmatic choices that gifted the tories their thumping majority after all, as May found to her horror, the nation isn't necessarily pro-tory.

Annetje

But but but ..... The deal did pass and then .... Johnson pulled it back and shouted ELECTION !

mikelincs

You obviously haven't been reading any, or listening to news and news type programmes on the BBC, like Question Time and others like it, They have been so anti Corbyn, tbe people who book the panel, the audience and questions are a company formed from Tory supporters, the opinion poll they have been reporting almost exclusively was started by someone who is currently a Tory MP, and his friends, the MP has left the company, well at least is claimed to have left.

dbd33

If, in fact, Johnson proves able to deliver both Brexit and prosperity, in the form of the improvements to the NHS he has mentioned, then I shall be obliged to concede the man's brilliance. Rather than eating my hat, I shall further my career by following his method. I suspect I shall enjoy borderline alcoholism and I know I like reckless fornication so, while some humble pie is involved, it's not all bad.

CanadaJimmy

One way I could see a future for UK post Brexit is to adopt a sort of Singapore tax haven/investment hub type model. There are definitely ways to make the best of the situation, but whether a country of 70 million can be as nimble as a country of 6 million is hard to determine.

mikelincs

I do suspect all the promises regarding the NHS etc were all electioneering, and very little will be done. You have to realise that the 50,000 niurses included 20,000 they hoped to persuade not to leave, and a further 20,000 are strongly rumoured to be more like the 'cadet' nurses or auxilliary nurses who have gone through much less training and unable to do many of the things trained nurses can do. If you take into account the number of highly trained nurses that have left or will be leaving due to Brexit the actual increase may well be a cut in real terms. Doctors take 7 years training, so increasing the intake in medical schools will not affect the numbers for at least 7 years, and for GPs a further 2 years. What needs to be done re nurses is to reintroduce the bursary, trainee numbers halved when the bursary was removed.

dave_j

As you say, it did pass one reading before being 'Paused'. It was a difficult decision facing the opposition in that timescales were short and scrutiny severely limited.
I was simply posing the question how reaction to an election might have changed should the bill have been allowed to pass into law.

BristolUK

You write that as if only one side was "so fixated on an anti-leader policy"...like the leave side was not fixated on (scaring people about) Corbyn.

dave_j

As you suggest both sides were highly motivated.. but I was wondering how an election result would have been affected if brexit had been nudged out of the equation. The opposition faced a difficult decision and one option was to stand aside but the accelerated timescale was rejected and the bill paused.
Like most political decision making, the rights or wrongs of the issue are seldom considered. Had the opposition been in power they might well have behaved equally, so I strongly suggest the rejection was political and centered on the personality of Johnson and his party.
I made no judgement as to whether the outcome would have been different.

DaveLovesDee

There'd been a strong and consistent campaign against Corbyn by the Tories, a majority of the media, and sections of his own party since the day Corbyn was elected leader by Labour members. That, along with the consistent narrative from those same sources on anti-semitism (which though a serious subject which should be dealt with), in many cases was reasonable criticism of Israel being stopped by claims of anti-semitism.

macadian

So many theories for the collapse of the labour vote. From where I'm standing, Corbyn's (and McDonell's) blatant Marxist policies, and terrorist sympathy's might have had something to do with it.....just an opinion.