Re: Patrick Brown
 

Having ditched the hair gel (it gave him a look which was mildly amusing, if unfortunate, for a -slightly- right of centre politician) he had nothing to distinguish him in a world of the bland. How many in politics anywhere are really recognisable nowadays? Probably just as well though, when the politics of personality gives you Rob Ford and BoJo

Re: Patrick Brown
 

He did some adverts on TV telling people who he was. He appeared to be a bit creepy in a Harper kind of way to me.

Maybe it’s best he step down as he was not popular

Re: Patrick Brown
 

In order to be popular, he would first have had to be recognizable. I don't know what the Ontario PCs think they've been playing at for the last few years, but to follow such a complete nonentity as Tim Hudak with an even more obscure nonentity such as Patrick Brown struck me at the time as a bid for electoral self-destruction.

Voters (or at least those who answer political opinion polls) apparently don't like Kathleen Wynne, but at least most of them know who she is. That alone gives her party an electoral bonus that the Patrick Brown conservatives couldn't compete with.

Counterintuitively, it may be that the struggle to replace Brown with an interim leader in time for campaigning to start in May, might be the news-cycle-hogging boost that the PCs need to be in with a chance.

Re: Patrick Brown
 

Who was?

Re: Patrick Brown
 

It's possible that the PC party realised Mr Dull was dull and have set up this fall to replace him with someone more personable.

Re: Patrick Brown
 

It would be a brilliant plan if they could convince people it was set up by the other side.

Re: Patrick Brown
 

Other side have their own issues, again

Kent Hehr resigns from Liberal cabinet over sexual harassment allegations

Re: Patrick Brown
 

Yup was, as he is nobody now :(

Re: Patrick Brown
 

https://www.cp24.com/news/women-who-...rter-1.3775056

A few points:
“They didn’t come to us. We had to go to considerable lengths to reach them and convince them that they should tell their story and that they’d be protected. Then we had to do a lot of leg work to confirm details in their story, verify a lot of things that they had said,” McGregor noted.

So we have the media going sniffing for a story. How did they convince them? Words, or perhaps money? Anyone happen to know what political leaning CTV has?


McGregor was quick to point out that none of the allegations against Brown have been proven in court.
“Neither of the women who are involved in bringing this forward to CTV ever filed complaints with the police or employers or anything like that. They never took any civil action,” he said. “It’s never been tested in court. These allegations have never gone before a judge or jury or anything like that so they are simply that, allegations, at this point, which he (Brown), as you heard, emphatically denies.”

No, they have not been proven in court. As for not having gone before a Jury. Well, in the sense of a jury at a trial, no they have not. But what about the Jury of the people, the world at large?

In today's climate the merest sniff of an allegation and you're toast. Doesn't seem to matter if they are true or not, the damage is done.

Re: Patrick Brown
 

So really anyone could just make up anything about Wynne or PM selfie, get a paper or news outlet on board and boom they are out. !!!

Re: Patrick Brown
 

You have to ask. :lol::lol::lol:

The amount of fawning coverage they give to Justin should say it all.

Re: Patrick Brown
 

It does make one wonder if it really would be that simple.

The interesting thing would be if there were allegations against Wynne and Trudeau, who would be seen as the victim? Cynic in me says that people would take Wynne's side, because female, and we know all men are pigs and evil and of course a woman couldn't possibly be guilty of sexual harassment, because woman, whereas Trudeau, nice as he may be, well, he's a man and so allegations must be true, because male.

But of course, I'm a man, so you know, my opinion on this doesn't count because white male privilege, and how dare I criticize anything or anyone ever because male.

Re: Patrick Brown
 

I've met Patrick Brown a few times and he has always been totally OK with me. I don't, honestly, see how this has happened without him being tucked up in some fashion.

Maybe you're better out than in these days when the legals start.

Re: Patrick Brown
 

If you're not an attractive 18-year-old female, then you're probably safe from Brown's attentions, on the strength of these two stories.

He was clearly very rattled by these allegations yesterday - and the speed with which his closest teammates abandoned him does lead me to think they can see that there's enough "truthiness" to the stories that even if some of the details are sketchy, it is consistent with other behaviour to the extent that they chose to believe he had become suddenly and irretrievably toxic. That says more to me than any emotional denial.

And, sad to say, his form on playing fast and loose with defamation laws has rather caught up with him. For a party leader to be served with a defamation suit by the sitting premier - as Wynne did to Brown when he declined to correct a false story that she was facing criminal charges - indicates his willingness to play dirty politics. Hoist with his own petard, you might say.

Re: Patrick Brown
 

So, some major bloodletting over the weekend in the provincial PC party. The party president "steps down" just ahead of the publication of more allegations of impropriety. Exec director has been fired. Two of Brown's staffers have been reassigned; one additional staffer who resigned last week when Brown was stalling over his own resignation, has now been reappointed to a different role.

And apparently there's massive infighting - within the membership and between the membership and the current MPP caucus - about the wisdom of holding a full-blooded leadership race rather than running the election with an interim leader in place.

It does make one wonder what the motivation was for the journalists pursuing these stories. Of course, sexual assault is sexual assault never mind how close to an election we are, but the timing is suspiciously convenient for the Liberal and NDP campaigns...