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Oh come on FFS just when we had Wynne on the ropes this guys young attempts at romance come to light as sexual misconduct!!! Obviously it’s a he said she said but she said rules and is more popular at this time so basically he is done for. :(

https://www.google.ca/amp/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4503040


Maybe more details will come out later, but this puts getting rid of the Liberal gravy train on the back foot now that’s for sure.

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I'm curious. Having come from the UK where the two main parties for many years used to be quite different and even now they are closer some key differences still exist, do you really believe that the Liberals and Conservatives in Canada are so different to each other that anyone could be so passionately for one and against the other? :confused:

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Yes

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I wandered into the thread wondering who Patrick Brown might be, perhaps a new Doctor Who. I suppose this is the first and last time I'll hear of him.

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This. In Newfoundland there is sod all difference in policy and mindset (or indeed vision & competence) between Liberals and PC's. Who you choose, and how frothy at the mouth you get over the opposition comes down to tribalism.

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Really ? Wow

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If the allegations have substance then he is the author of his own misfortune.
Having said that, I do have concerns that in this 'allegation' strewn environment, it is a very effective way of discrediting any individual without benefit of due process. It would appear individuals concerned, in the court of public opinion are deemed guilty, no smoke without fire etc, until (if ever) deemed innocent?

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Whichever party takes over from the other at elections, they seemingly both give their campaign manager the CEO position at NB Power or NB Liquor.

When I first moved to NB the Ls were in favour of Ambulance fees :ohmy: and the PCs against. I thought, hang on, this should be the other way around. Then the Ls wanted to sell off NB Power to Quebec Hydro. It all seemed so backwards. :unsure:

For most of my time here, one's just a slightly watered down version of the other with both 'guilty' of the same hypocrisies.

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Yes. We have provincial elections this year (more important than Federal ones). The Cons and NDP don't operate, so they are not relevant. The provincial Libs won last time, with the PQ getting slaughtered because of it's own stupidity. People are going off both. I can see the current number 3 (CAQ) romping home.

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It begs the question?

How does a single guy meet a female in this day and age, and if you don’t drink how hard is that. I would not want to be successful single male now days looking for female company that’s for sure.

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Don't they all Tinder and show up with their NDA's?

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Ha ha I just said same on a Facebook site

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I read that as DNAs at first. But I expect that will come. :nod:

Did you know that Tinder was preceded by a dating agency for old comedians? It was called Trinder. :lol:

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Did u know:

Reports of online dating-related rape have risen by more than 450 percent in six years, the UK's National Crime Agency announced on Sunday, warning that the surge in online dating had given rise to a "new kind of sexual offender."

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Based on this thread I suppose he was a conservative politician in Ontario. I'm not much interested in Ontario politics and I don't seek out local news but I have to wonder about the campaign behind him. I'm an Ontario taxpayer, I could vote, it might have been a good idea to bring him to my attention somehow. I'd truly never heard of him.

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Having ditched the hair gel (it gave him a look which was mildly amusing, if unfortunate, for a -slightly- right of centre politician) he had nothing to distinguish him in a world of the bland. How many in politics anywhere are really recognisable nowadays? Probably just as well though, when the politics of personality gives you Rob Ford and BoJo

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He did some adverts on TV telling people who he was. He appeared to be a bit creepy in a Harper kind of way to me.

Maybe it’s best he step down as he was not popular

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In order to be popular, he would first have had to be recognizable. I don't know what the Ontario PCs think they've been playing at for the last few years, but to follow such a complete nonentity as Tim Hudak with an even more obscure nonentity such as Patrick Brown struck me at the time as a bid for electoral self-destruction.

Voters (or at least those who answer political opinion polls) apparently don't like Kathleen Wynne, but at least most of them know who she is. That alone gives her party an electoral bonus that the Patrick Brown conservatives couldn't compete with.

Counterintuitively, it may be that the struggle to replace Brown with an interim leader in time for campaigning to start in May, might be the news-cycle-hogging boost that the PCs need to be in with a chance.

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Who was?

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It's possible that the PC party realised Mr Dull was dull and have set up this fall to replace him with someone more personable.

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It would be a brilliant plan if they could convince people it was set up by the other side.

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Other side have their own issues, again

Kent Hehr resigns from Liberal cabinet over sexual harassment allegations

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Yup was, as he is nobody now :(

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https://www.cp24.com/news/women-who-...rter-1.3775056

A few points:
“They didn’t come to us. We had to go to considerable lengths to reach them and convince them that they should tell their story and that they’d be protected. Then we had to do a lot of leg work to confirm details in their story, verify a lot of things that they had said,” McGregor noted.

So we have the media going sniffing for a story. How did they convince them? Words, or perhaps money? Anyone happen to know what political leaning CTV has?


McGregor was quick to point out that none of the allegations against Brown have been proven in court.
“Neither of the women who are involved in bringing this forward to CTV ever filed complaints with the police or employers or anything like that. They never took any civil action,” he said. “It’s never been tested in court. These allegations have never gone before a judge or jury or anything like that so they are simply that, allegations, at this point, which he (Brown), as you heard, emphatically denies.”

No, they have not been proven in court. As for not having gone before a Jury. Well, in the sense of a jury at a trial, no they have not. But what about the Jury of the people, the world at large?

In today's climate the merest sniff of an allegation and you're toast. Doesn't seem to matter if they are true or not, the damage is done.

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So really anyone could just make up anything about Wynne or PM selfie, get a paper or news outlet on board and boom they are out. !!!

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You have to ask. :lol::lol::lol:

The amount of fawning coverage they give to Justin should say it all.

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It does make one wonder if it really would be that simple.

The interesting thing would be if there were allegations against Wynne and Trudeau, who would be seen as the victim? Cynic in me says that people would take Wynne's side, because female, and we know all men are pigs and evil and of course a woman couldn't possibly be guilty of sexual harassment, because woman, whereas Trudeau, nice as he may be, well, he's a man and so allegations must be true, because male.

But of course, I'm a man, so you know, my opinion on this doesn't count because white male privilege, and how dare I criticize anything or anyone ever because male.

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I've met Patrick Brown a few times and he has always been totally OK with me. I don't, honestly, see how this has happened without him being tucked up in some fashion.

Maybe you're better out than in these days when the legals start.

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If you're not an attractive 18-year-old female, then you're probably safe from Brown's attentions, on the strength of these two stories.

He was clearly very rattled by these allegations yesterday - and the speed with which his closest teammates abandoned him does lead me to think they can see that there's enough "truthiness" to the stories that even if some of the details are sketchy, it is consistent with other behaviour to the extent that they chose to believe he had become suddenly and irretrievably toxic. That says more to me than any emotional denial.

And, sad to say, his form on playing fast and loose with defamation laws has rather caught up with him. For a party leader to be served with a defamation suit by the sitting premier - as Wynne did to Brown when he declined to correct a false story that she was facing criminal charges - indicates his willingness to play dirty politics. Hoist with his own petard, you might say.

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So, some major bloodletting over the weekend in the provincial PC party. The party president "steps down" just ahead of the publication of more allegations of impropriety. Exec director has been fired. Two of Brown's staffers have been reassigned; one additional staffer who resigned last week when Brown was stalling over his own resignation, has now been reappointed to a different role.

And apparently there's massive infighting - within the membership and between the membership and the current MPP caucus - about the wisdom of holding a full-blooded leadership race rather than running the election with an interim leader in place.

It does make one wonder what the motivation was for the journalists pursuing these stories. Of course, sexual assault is sexual assault never mind how close to an election we are, but the timing is suspiciously convenient for the Liberal and NDP campaigns...

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Twitter tells me that Doug Ford has just thrown his hat into the ring for Ontario PC party leadership. Nice of the centre of Canada to be equally shagged up when it comes to politics as out here in the far east.:rofl:

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This is interesting.
Column: #MeToo isn’t just coming to political Canada – it’s here | Warren Kinsella

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To me it makes it sound as though whomever this person is, they are seen as not only powerful but squeaky clean, so that says PM selfie to me.

On the flipside, the comment "His name will shock you." got the spider senses going. As in it will be a shock because it's not His name, it's Her name, because it's a female. If that's the case, well, Wynne seems to be the choice for that.

Probably totally wrong on the him vs her thing, but who knows.

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Wow !!! The hint given is that the person likes theme socks

Could it be ?

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.vogu...ents-prada/amp

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https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.theg...ticle37976333/

Woman who accused Patrick Brown of sexual misconduct now says she wasn’t under drinking age:

So not 100% the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth

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I still think the PCs realised they get nowhere with him in charge so they set him up.

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So, based on what I have read, it appears that a relatively young, single guy made a pass at two women (at least one of whom was in his bedroom at the time). They said no, and he respected that. What am I missing?

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[QUOTE=HGerchikov;12442527]So, based on what I have read, it appears that a relatively young, sin gle guy made a pass at two women (at least one of whom was in his bedroom at the time). They said no, and he respected that. What am I missing?[QUOTE]

One alleges that he asked for a bj. The other says he was lying on top of her.
What kind of passes are you used to? One of the women worked for him.

I'm not in favour of this accusing and naming long after the event unless it was something that continues to affect the person assaulted. I am in favour of women coming forward and speaking of their experiences though. It shows the extent of the problem and hopefully will change behaviours.

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You misssed that he drove her home

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He asked, she said no, and that was that. Same in the second situation it seems like at any point where either woman said they were not ok with what was happening then he stopped. The woman did work for him and I understand continued to after the incident. Last time I looked I don't think there is a law against workplace romances. I was my husband's supervisor when we first met, I guess I better be nice to him or he will be outing me for harassment.

I am not necessarily defending Patrick Brown, I don't know the guy nor do I know exactly what happened. But based on what the women have claimed I am really struggling to see that he did anything wrong.