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BristolUK Feb 19th 2018 12:06 am

Re: Patrick Brown
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12445406)
...There's no reason to suppose electing someone else would make a difference except in terms of the particular pockets lined.

This is a pretty good summing up of my feelings on Canadian politics.

There are, of course, examples of major corruption and expenses fiddling in the UK but I do believe that people have at least entered UK politics to do good (however they see that, right or left) and that there remain some people still doing that.

I never get that impression for Canada.

Admittedly I've not been here as long as the UK and it's a big country so I've not been so aware of "the good ones" as much as I would have been in the UK, and I'm mostly judging it for my City and Province, but for so many it just seems like a predictable move to suit them personally.

BristolUK Feb 19th 2018 1:00 am

Re: Patrick Brown
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12443301)
So I'm not so sure the suggested statement for Brown would have "worked" in the way suggested. Not in the current climate.

This comment could go in a number of threads but this one is fairly topical and drawing attention, so I'm going here.

Here's what I meant by the current climate.

Actor Geoffrey Rush is suing an Australian newspaper for printing a single, anonymous, unspecified allegation, twice, of inappropriate touching. The case is underway. Something to do with his role requiring him to carry the complainant. The allegedly inappropriate touching happened two years before the allegation was made.

There was the original story followed by a second, headed “We’re with you: theatre cast back accuser as Rush denies ‘touching’”

Sounds pretty damning now, doesn't it, what with the cast (all of them?) backing the accuser.

I've been trying to find the original second report and I can't but I have found a report soon after where it's announced he is suing and there is reference to the content of the original reports.

The newspaper is claiming to have done no more than report the allegation, though it's clearly done a lot more than that.

Anyway it appears that it's just two members of the cast. And one apparently said on Facebook "I was in the show. I believe whoever has come forward." What, they don't even know who it was? :confused:

Anyone know how many cast members there are in King Lear? Maybe it was just three and the two others is now very significant.

I googled the production to see if I could find out how many and I found an interview with an actress playing opposite him in that very production. Unless there was a replacement for the role at some stage, it would appear she is likely the one making the complaint.

“Geoffrey is just forever playful. He’s so generous, he’s very cheeky which is perfect for me. I feel very privileged to work with him and proud to be his ‘favourite daughter’,” she joked.
(I wonder if his legal team know the interview)

Anyway, none of us knows whether there's anything in it and how guilty Geoffrey Rush may be. But in reporting the case against him, the media has clearly decided the guilt and attempted to confirm it with the cast backing the woman's allegation, even though it's only two and one of them doesn't even know who made the accusation.

That's why I think the current (media) climate would have rendered the suggested response from Patrick Brown ineffective.

Novocastrian Feb 19th 2018 4:39 am

Re: Patrick Brown
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12445646)
Anyway it appears that it's just two members of the cast. And one apparently said on Facebook "I was in the show. I believe whoever has come forward." What, they don't even know who it was? :confused:

Anyone know how many cast members there are in King Lear? Maybe it was just three and the two others is now very significant.

There are 12 characters in King Lear. But I suppose that doesn't account for understudies etc.

Novocastrian Feb 19th 2018 4:42 am

Re: Patrick Brown
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12445609)
There are, of course, examples of major corruption and expenses fiddling in the UK but I do believe that people have at least entered UK politics to do good (however they see that, right or left) and that there remain some people still doing that.

I never get that impression for Canada.

Ah, the innocence of the man! There are of course some, but none in the Conservative Party (or UKIP).

bats Feb 19th 2018 6:48 am

Re: Patrick Brown
 
And now financial impropriety. Which will annoy the Tories more than any sexual impropriety ever would.

Hillier comes out strongly against Brown leadership bid - makes new financial allegations against former PC leader - Lake 88

Oakvillian Feb 21st 2018 3:22 am

Re: Patrick Brown
 
He's toast. Even if the PC executive allow him to run as leader, his opponents will surely throw all the stuff Hillier has uncovered at him. He took his "intern," with whom he was sleeping, with him on foreign trips which do not appear in any declaration of interests. He either lied about the number of registrations he'd secured or didn't properly account for the membership fees they should have brought in. There appear to be some distinctly shady business dealings with the man who is now the prospective candidate for the PCs in Brampton North.

Any one of these things might not be his undoing, but taken together, and backed by the allegations of sexual impropriety, if they don't stymie his re-election to leader they will surely absolutely cripple the party in June's provincial elections.

bats Feb 21st 2018 4:23 am

Re: Patrick Brown
 

Originally Posted by Oakvillian (Post 12447617)
He's toast. Even if the PC executive allow him to run as leader, his opponents will surely throw all the stuff Hillier has uncovered at him. He took his "intern," with whom he was sleeping, with him on foreign trips which do not appear in any declaration of interests. He either lied about the number of registrations he'd secured or didn't properly account for the membership fees they should have brought in. There appear to be some distinctly shady business dealings with the man who is now the prospective candidate for the PCs in Brampton North.

Any one of these things might not be his undoing, but taken together, and backed by the allegations of sexual impropriety, if they don't stymie his re-election to leader they will surely absolutely cripple the party in June's provincial elections.

He does sound an ideal conservative candidate especially as "like many young Canadians" he borrowed $300K for a deposit on a $2 million lakeshore home.

BristolUK Feb 21st 2018 4:36 am

Re: Patrick Brown
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 12447688)
... "like many young Canadians" he borrowed $300K for a deposit on a $2 million lakeshore home.

:rofl:

Shades of Jeffrey Archer?

Bleepedy Bloops Feb 21st 2018 5:19 am

Re: Patrick Brown
 
Who the hell do we vote for? This is nuts...literally no-one out there seems to be on the ball and ready to govern. I'm seriously thinking of sitting this one out.

Help me.

BristolUK Feb 21st 2018 5:41 am

Re: Patrick Brown
 

Originally Posted by Bleepedy Bloops (Post 12447741)
Who the hell do we vote for? This is nuts...literally no-one out there seems to be on the ball and ready to govern. I'm seriously thinking of sitting this one out

Worth not being eligible to vote isn't it. :sneaky:

macadian Feb 21st 2018 6:12 am

Re: Patrick Brown
 
Seems he (Brown) has now been accused of "dirty and crooked politics" Any other kind?


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