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so far: 2 people shot. One a gunman, allegedly, and one a cdn soldier, not allegedy.

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The Globe and Mail tells us that the Prime Minister is safe. That of course was my main worry.

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A parliamentary guard was wounded as well, the soldier who was guarding the cenotaph is dead of his wounds, and the status of the shooter is being withheld (though rumoured earlier as being shot dead).

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He's dead? I'll stop being flippant then.

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Reporting that there are multiple shooters, war memorial, parliament and Rideau shopping centre. Situation is being described as fluid and the area is in in lockdown.

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They cancelled Malala's citizenship ceremony, I'll take that as 'postponed'. I'd put money on the centre block intruder being dead too and not wounded; enough people who were in there said so.

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No official statement yet on the status of anybody who was shot. Unconfirmed reports that the Centre Block shooter is dead (shot by the Sergeant-at-Arms); and that the soldier (a reservist from Hamilton) has died of his wounds. The latter news was tweeted from the Conservatives caucus room, so may yet be nothing more than a rumour - but I can't imagine why an MP would say such a thing without good cause.

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:( rip

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Nothing confirmed either way.

Lots of rumour, few facts.

I hope the soldier is OK, but the information leaking out seems bleak.


Yesterdays atrocity was bad enough.

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Top marks for shooting the shooter dead. Decisive action.

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Extraordinary video of that from a Globe & Mail reporter who was in the lobby at the time.

http://fw.to/kOMjQ6g

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Crikey! What an echo / ricochet. Brave police.

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Ottawa police appear to have confirmed the worst. Bugger.

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I hope they catch the other gits and throw them away for ever! It's like the fanatical terrorists of the 70's all over again!

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Saying the report about the shopping centre was erroneous.

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The bravery of the police in the parliament buildings and the people giving CPR to the shot soldier contrasts with MPs behind locked doors and Harper cancelling Malala's citizenship. I get that that's what they are told to do and perhaps carrying on would put others at risk but I wonder if a show of carrying on as usual would be a better message than hiding.

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Posted this before but thought would add here too

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I take the sentiment but I'm not sure having untrained "have a go" politicians in the line of fire of the already endangered police would really help. There's a reason why respectively they do the jobs they do.

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Wow what a noise....it always makes me really emotional watching things like that. I tend not to. In my eyes you couldn't pay the police enough for the job they do.

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I wasn't meaning "have a go", more of a "keep calm and carry on"

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Given the recent hit n run of a soldier and now this in Ottawa I thought it was a wise decision to cancel and re schedule while they find out who is behind all this. Or even if the two incidents are related.

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I got the impression that the barricading was just following security protocols rather than some sort of blind panic.

I think your sentiment is right though, but the practicalities are probably difficult with the city still in lock down mode, and obviously the regular security details are probably a bit busy right now to be policing the other events.

Ideally things will return to normal as soon as possible after the appropriate period of mourning the fallen. As a nation though we should definitely not cower in fear of extremists.

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I know the lock down is standard practice, it just irked me to see virtually unprotected officers in that hallway protection people meant to represent them. Malala is a symbol of not being cowed and beaten by terror and yet her ceremony is postponed. Maybe he has some important decisions to make.

I'm saddened by it, we were in Ottawa recently and commented on the openness of the Parliament buildings and grounds and were pleased to be living in a country where this can happen. I guess being upset by today and yesterday means I'm a Canadian.

I'm seeing comments on FB such as "is this Canada's 9/11", whatever that means.

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Anyone that didn't see this coming is a tit. I saw it coming several years ago.

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The UK gov issued warnings a week or so ago that this kind of thing was in the works. Told coppers that they might be the target of individual attacks etc.

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Actually the 'coppers' were all armed, the MPs in the caucus rooms weren't. I'd like to think that anyone with brains enough to get elected would know to bar the door if they heard a gun battle going on right outside their office.
30 years ago Cpl Denis Lortie entered Quebec's National Assembly with 2 submachine guns and a pistol and killed 3 people and wounded 13 others. Sergeant-at-Arms Rene Jalbert approached him, took him to his office, and over the course of 4 hours convinced him to give himself up. Those men are chosen for their sense of duty, courage, and intelligence.

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The shooter named as Z""""""", 32, was raised in Quebec, according to CTV News, and was a Canadian convert to Islam, Reuters said.

Strange, they say he converted to Islam too like the driver in the hit n run, what an odd Coincidence that is ?

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Converts tend to be stronger believers than those brought up in a religion. So not that strange.

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Isn't islam the most peaceful religion in the world? So they keep trying to convince us mere westerners.

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It's a religion of peace, but not if you are converted by fanatics. Same with anything.

Angry young people looking for a cause.

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He was 32-33 (1982) not that young IMO, still brainwashed tho I agree

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:rofl:

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And I agree as well. The mainstream Moslem community has nothing to do with jihad. Now they'll all be fearful of reprisals from local idiots.

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Maybe, maybe not, but what they should do is make a statement saying they are against this sort of mindless murdering on our shores. (I dont think that will happen tho)

So sad for the soldier and his family :@( Nathan Cirillo

http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/..._hamilton.html

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They make it pretty obvious, the imam of the mosque yesterday's hit and run driver went to was working with police to try to get him straightened out. i believe those statements have been made and we can probably expect more as they understandably distance themselves from violence.

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Thanks

Shame they don't show that sort of stuff on TV

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Off topic section: Back in the old club we had 2 Muslims come around, Raid was an Iraqi who had lost his religon, I asked him about it and he said there was no point (the Iran - Iraq war was on and Muslims fighting Muslims spoiled it for him). He was a dick and got the shit kicked out of him for being extremely rude to one of our female bartenders. Boran was an affable Kurd who said he needed income badly and wanted to become a bartender. He could do it, but every time he mixed a drink or opened a beer for someone he'd give them a dirty look to show he didn't approve. :rofl: When I asked him if he was settling in ok in Regina he said he was having trouble sleeping at night because there was no shooting - he was used to the chatter of small arms fire at night.

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i know, and we used to ask why didn't the Pope excommunicate those Catholics who were IRA. I don't recall any church distancing themselves from Abu Ghraib
BTW various UK Muslim groups have done this in the past but it doesn't make any difference,

And yes it is awful for the poor man and his family. Unimaginable.

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It's dreadful for the Canadian Forces, knowing that at home in Canada they might be the target for madmen. A 24 year old father....the gunman must feel 'truly brave'.

The horror is that the backlash against the Islamic community will be immense.

Quite irrelevant?...

...I took the morning off work today to accompany friends, an Egyptian family of four, to their Citizenship ceremony....51 people fron 22 nationalities attended and it was fantastic. They were all so very proud to have become Canadian.

...Tonight all the Cadet Activities in NB have been cancelled until further notice because they are from the Armourys or Base Gagetown

This is all so sad on so many levels.

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It's really sad, I don't know what these extremists are thinking when they do things like this. I guess I just don't understand how a religion can brain wash people like this.

My girlfriends mom's boyfriend apparently had rented a room to this guy at some point 4 or 5 years ago.

Makes you think how little you may know about a roommate or roomer, but maybe this guy hadn't turned extremist yet. I don't know. Really scary though.