The Occupy Uprising....
#197
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I've got a lot of aquantainces and a few good friends who are part of the Occupy Toronto movement. I think that some of the folk have good intentions, but camping in a park, hooping and practicing poi doesn't really cut it as far as I'm concerned.
Via Facebook, I've been invited to any number of Occupy Toronto events, mostly it's fair to say organised around protecting the park and preventing their eviction. When I ask what they're specifically campaigning about, and what they propose in the place of what they don't like, I'm met with a deafening silence. Oh, and the suggestion that I come to the park to find out....
Why should I waste my time visiting a ton of sketched out hippies who are unable to articulate what they want; other than they think that life is not fair. Personally I figured that out early on.
I'm developing a distinct dislike of the protest in general, as to me it smacks of the kind of entitlement and expectations that a lot of people seem to have these days. To make positive changes you need to do a little bit more than sitting on your arse in a park for a few months.
I've actively demonstrated against things that I felt strongly in the past. None of those demonstrations included promoting the use of illegal drugs, anti social behaviour or not needing to engage in debate with people that you need to influence.If I sound angry, I am, because these work shy fops have put the cause of social equality back several years as far as I'm concerned.
Via Facebook, I've been invited to any number of Occupy Toronto events, mostly it's fair to say organised around protecting the park and preventing their eviction. When I ask what they're specifically campaigning about, and what they propose in the place of what they don't like, I'm met with a deafening silence. Oh, and the suggestion that I come to the park to find out....
Why should I waste my time visiting a ton of sketched out hippies who are unable to articulate what they want; other than they think that life is not fair. Personally I figured that out early on.
I'm developing a distinct dislike of the protest in general, as to me it smacks of the kind of entitlement and expectations that a lot of people seem to have these days. To make positive changes you need to do a little bit more than sitting on your arse in a park for a few months.
I've actively demonstrated against things that I felt strongly in the past. None of those demonstrations included promoting the use of illegal drugs, anti social behaviour or not needing to engage in debate with people that you need to influence.If I sound angry, I am, because these work shy fops have put the cause of social equality back several years as far as I'm concerned.
#198
I've got a lot of aquantainces and a few good friends who are part of the Occupy Toronto movement. I think that some of the folk have good intentions, but camping in a park, hooping and practicing poi doesn't really cut it as far as I'm concerned.
Via Facebook, I've been invited to any number of Occupy Toronto events, mostly it's fair to say organised around protecting the park and preventing their eviction. When I ask what they're specifically campaigning about, and what they propose in the place of what they don't like, I'm met with a deafening silence. Oh, and the suggestion that I come to the park to find out....
Why should I waste my time visiting a ton of sketched out hippies who are unable to articulate what they want; other than they think that life is not fair. Personally I figured that out early on.
I'm developing a distinct dislike of the protest in general, as to me it smacks of the kind of entitlement and expectations that a lot of people seem to have these days. To make positive changes you need to do a little bit more than sitting on your arse in a park for a few months.
I've actively demonstrated against things that I felt strongly in the past. None of those demonstrations included promoting the use of illegal drugs, anti social behaviour or not needing to engage in debate with people that you need to influence.If I sound angry, I am, because these work shy fops have put the cause of social equality back several years as far as I'm concerned.
Via Facebook, I've been invited to any number of Occupy Toronto events, mostly it's fair to say organised around protecting the park and preventing their eviction. When I ask what they're specifically campaigning about, and what they propose in the place of what they don't like, I'm met with a deafening silence. Oh, and the suggestion that I come to the park to find out....
Why should I waste my time visiting a ton of sketched out hippies who are unable to articulate what they want; other than they think that life is not fair. Personally I figured that out early on.
I'm developing a distinct dislike of the protest in general, as to me it smacks of the kind of entitlement and expectations that a lot of people seem to have these days. To make positive changes you need to do a little bit more than sitting on your arse in a park for a few months.
I've actively demonstrated against things that I felt strongly in the past. None of those demonstrations included promoting the use of illegal drugs, anti social behaviour or not needing to engage in debate with people that you need to influence.If I sound angry, I am, because these work shy fops have put the cause of social equality back several years as far as I'm concerned.
Post of the week IMO.
#200
This time of year the big Canada Geese, (at least the ones out here), have a lump of pure white fat in the abdomen nearly the size of a tennis ball. Ask your friends to save them when they clean geese. Rendered down it's great for making shortbread.
#201
I've got a lot of aquantainces and a few good friends who are part of the Occupy Toronto movement. I think that some of the folk have good intentions, but camping in a park, hooping and practicing poi doesn't really cut it as far as I'm concerned.
Via Facebook, I've been invited to any number of Occupy Toronto events, mostly it's fair to say organised around protecting the park and preventing their eviction. When I ask what they're specifically campaigning about, and what they propose in the place of what they don't like, I'm met with a deafening silence. Oh, and the suggestion that I come to the park to find out....
Why should I waste my time visiting a ton of sketched out hippies who are unable to articulate what they want; other than they think that life is not fair. Personally I figured that out early on.
I'm developing a distinct dislike of the protest in general, as to me it smacks of the kind of entitlement and expectations that a lot of people seem to have these days. To make positive changes you need to do a little bit more than sitting on your arse in a park for a few months.
I've actively demonstrated against things that I felt strongly in the past. None of those demonstrations included promoting the use of illegal drugs, anti social behaviour or not needing to engage in debate with people that you need to influence.If I sound angry, I am, because these work shy fops have put the cause of social equality back several years as far as I'm concerned.
Via Facebook, I've been invited to any number of Occupy Toronto events, mostly it's fair to say organised around protecting the park and preventing their eviction. When I ask what they're specifically campaigning about, and what they propose in the place of what they don't like, I'm met with a deafening silence. Oh, and the suggestion that I come to the park to find out....
Why should I waste my time visiting a ton of sketched out hippies who are unable to articulate what they want; other than they think that life is not fair. Personally I figured that out early on.
I'm developing a distinct dislike of the protest in general, as to me it smacks of the kind of entitlement and expectations that a lot of people seem to have these days. To make positive changes you need to do a little bit more than sitting on your arse in a park for a few months.
I've actively demonstrated against things that I felt strongly in the past. None of those demonstrations included promoting the use of illegal drugs, anti social behaviour or not needing to engage in debate with people that you need to influence.If I sound angry, I am, because these work shy fops have put the cause of social equality back several years as far as I'm concerned.
In fact, it's not a "protest" at all, it's more a "witness" to the ludicrous disparity in late 20/21C western sham "democracies" whereby the crooks in Wall street can destroy the lives of huge numbers of working stiffs (who they've brainwashed into thinking that they're "middle class") and then continue to be paid millions for it.
It's not the 1% that's the problem, rather the 0.1% or even the 0.01% who control everything from Wall Street/Bay Street to the politicians of both/all parties in NA. Europe and elsewhere.
The movement doesn't have to propose an alternative, it doesn't have to accomplish anything at all except to grow. Growing is what its doing rather nicely.
Last edited by Novocastrian; Nov 17th 2011 at 10:06 am.
#202
Worst post evah! All of these frothing descriptions of the Occupy movement show complete lack of understanding of both the point and the process.
In fact, it's not a "protest" at all, it's more a "witness" to the ludicrous disparity in late 20/21C western sham "democracies" whereby the crooks in Wall street can destroy the lives of huge numbers of working stiffs (who they've brainwashed into thinking that they're "middle class") and then continue to be paid millions for it.
It's not the 1% that's the problem, rather the 0.1% or even the 0.01% who control everything from Wall Street/Bay Street to the politicians of both/all parties in NA. Europe and elsewhere.
The movement doesn't have to propose an alternative, it doesn't have to accomplish anything at all except to grow. Growing is what its doing rather nicely.
In fact, it's not a "protest" at all, it's more a "witness" to the ludicrous disparity in late 20/21C western sham "democracies" whereby the crooks in Wall street can destroy the lives of huge numbers of working stiffs (who they've brainwashed into thinking that they're "middle class") and then continue to be paid millions for it.
It's not the 1% that's the problem, rather the 0.1% or even the 0.01% who control everything from Wall Street/Bay Street to the politicians of both/all parties in NA. Europe and elsewhere.
The movement doesn't have to propose an alternative, it doesn't have to accomplish anything at all except to grow. Growing is what its doing rather nicely.
There is the post of the week! Although I'm planning on a few beers tonight so that may change nearer midnight.
Last edited by JamesM; Nov 17th 2011 at 11:26 am.
#204
Worst post evah! All of these frothing descriptions of the Occupy movement show complete lack of understanding of both the point and the process.
In fact, it's not a "protest" at all, it's more a "witness" to the ludicrous disparity in late 20/21C western sham "democracies" whereby the crooks in Wall street can destroy the lives of huge numbers of working stiffs (who they've brainwashed into thinking that they're "middle class") and then continue to be paid millions for it.
It's not the 1% that's the problem, rather the 0.1% or even the 0.01% who control everything from Wall Street/Bay Street to the politicians of both/all parties in NA. Europe and elsewhere.
The movement doesn't have to propose an alternative, it doesn't have to accomplish anything at all except to grow. Growing is what its doing rather nicely.
In fact, it's not a "protest" at all, it's more a "witness" to the ludicrous disparity in late 20/21C western sham "democracies" whereby the crooks in Wall street can destroy the lives of huge numbers of working stiffs (who they've brainwashed into thinking that they're "middle class") and then continue to be paid millions for it.
It's not the 1% that's the problem, rather the 0.1% or even the 0.01% who control everything from Wall Street/Bay Street to the politicians of both/all parties in NA. Europe and elsewhere.
The movement doesn't have to propose an alternative, it doesn't have to accomplish anything at all except to grow. Growing is what its doing rather nicely.
Still nothing much will change until there are bloody heads on posts.
Here's are some truncated causes/catalysts for the French Revolution. See any similarities?
1) The direct cause of the Revolution was the chaotic state of government finance.
2) Director general of finances Jacques Necker vainly sought to placate public confidence.
3) French participation in the American Revolution had increased the huge debt, and Necker's successor, Charles Alexandre de Calonne, called an Assembly of Notables (1787), hoping to avert bankruptcy by inducing the privileged classes to share in the financial burden.
4) This gap between the wealthy and the poor created resentment. Those at the bottom saw the wealthy grow increasingly richer, while they got nothing.
Last edited by Oink; Nov 17th 2011 at 10:42 am.
#205
Still nothing much will change until there are bloody heads on posts.
Here's are some truncated causes/catalysts for the French Revolution. See any similarities?
1) The direct cause of the Revolution was the chaotic state of government finance.
2) Director general of finances Jacques Necker vainly sought to placate public confidence.
3) French participation in the American Revolution had increased the huge debt, and Necker's successor, Charles Alexandre de Calonne, called an Assembly of Notables (1787), hoping to avert bankruptcy by inducing the privileged classes to share in the financial burden.
4) This gap between the wealthy and the poor created resentment. Those at the bottom saw the wealthy grow increasingly richer, while they got nothing.
Here's are some truncated causes/catalysts for the French Revolution. See any similarities?
1) The direct cause of the Revolution was the chaotic state of government finance.
2) Director general of finances Jacques Necker vainly sought to placate public confidence.
3) French participation in the American Revolution had increased the huge debt, and Necker's successor, Charles Alexandre de Calonne, called an Assembly of Notables (1787), hoping to avert bankruptcy by inducing the privileged classes to share in the financial burden.
4) This gap between the wealthy and the poor created resentment. Those at the bottom saw the wealthy grow increasingly richer, while they got nothing.
#207










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Are you really so conditioned by the false left/right divide that you can't see what's going on? Do you have savings? A fixed income plan for retirement? If yes then you ought not to be mocking these people as you are being stolen from and you should be angry about it.
Edit: really too many reallys
Edit: really too many reallys
Last edited by Alan2005; Nov 17th 2011 at 12:31 pm.
#208
Are you really so conditioned by the false left/right divide that you can't see what's going on? Do you have savings? A fixed income plan for retirement? If yes then you ought not to be mocking these people as you are being stolen from and you should be angry about it.
Edit: really too many reallys
Edit: really too many reallys
#209
Worst post evah! All of these frothing descriptions of the Occupy movement show complete lack of understanding of both the point and the process.
In fact, it's not a "protest" at all, it's more a "witness" to the ludicrous disparity in late 20/21C western sham "democracies" whereby the crooks in Wall street can destroy the lives of huge numbers of working stiffs (who they've brainwashed into thinking that they're "middle class") and then continue to be paid millions for it.
It's not the 1% that's the problem, rather the 0.1% or even the 0.01% who control everything from Wall Street/Bay Street to the politicians of both/all parties in NA. Europe and elsewhere.
The movement doesn't have to propose an alternative, it doesn't have to accomplish anything at all except to grow. Growing is what its doing rather nicely.
In fact, it's not a "protest" at all, it's more a "witness" to the ludicrous disparity in late 20/21C western sham "democracies" whereby the crooks in Wall street can destroy the lives of huge numbers of working stiffs (who they've brainwashed into thinking that they're "middle class") and then continue to be paid millions for it.
It's not the 1% that's the problem, rather the 0.1% or even the 0.01% who control everything from Wall Street/Bay Street to the politicians of both/all parties in NA. Europe and elsewhere.
The movement doesn't have to propose an alternative, it doesn't have to accomplish anything at all except to grow. Growing is what its doing rather nicely.
If you read and believe this post then some would say it is a protest. Indeed, many of those involved themselves see it as a protest - against income inequality and those evil bastards on WS as you point out. But yes, I get the 'witness' ideology too.
I'm not frothy mouthed and I said I was sympathetic to the cause, but I still don't think much can or will change. I think something different needs to happen with Occupy more than this subliminal, deft 'witnessing' that is happening now (and being pulled apart by authorities in some places). My mum was at Greenham Common and I went as a wee boy a few times. The concept there was powerful - women, fearless, up against a nuclear armament camp full of tough guys. It was effective more than in just a 'witness' sense. It had focus, it had consistency and it had real penetration. For me, Occupy needs to change direction or get some coherence to make any real impact.
#210
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news...test-for-today
If you read and believe this post then some would say it is a protest. Indeed, many of those involved themselves see it as a protest - against income inequality and those evil bastards on WS as you point out. But yes, I get the 'witness' ideology too.
I'm not frothy mouthed and I said I was sympathetic to the cause, but I still don't think much can or will change. I think something different needs to happen with Occupy more than this subliminal, deft 'witnessing' that is happening now (and being pulled apart by authorities in some places). My mum was at Greenham Common and I went as a wee boy a few times. The concept there was powerful - women, fearless, up against a nuclear armament camp full of tough guys. It was effective more than in just a 'witness' sense. It had focus, it had consistency and it had real penetration. For me, Occupy needs to change direction or get some coherence to make any real impact.
If you read and believe this post then some would say it is a protest. Indeed, many of those involved themselves see it as a protest - against income inequality and those evil bastards on WS as you point out. But yes, I get the 'witness' ideology too.
I'm not frothy mouthed and I said I was sympathetic to the cause, but I still don't think much can or will change. I think something different needs to happen with Occupy more than this subliminal, deft 'witnessing' that is happening now (and being pulled apart by authorities in some places). My mum was at Greenham Common and I went as a wee boy a few times. The concept there was powerful - women, fearless, up against a nuclear armament camp full of tough guys. It was effective more than in just a 'witness' sense. It had focus, it had consistency and it had real penetration. For me, Occupy needs to change direction or get some coherence to make any real impact.
I don't think it has to change or that it will change anything unless or until resonances are struck within the broader aspects of societies. Ok. But as I said, all it has to do right now is to keep growing which it's doing rather well.
And, due respect to your mother, but despite being focussed, Greenham Common didn't get a result. Do you think these layabouts haven't learnt anything since then?




