No tip with a tip
Oct 14th 2011, 4:16 pm
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Re: No tip with a tip
No. No one has said that.
Servers, bar staff etc generally get paid a minimum wage which is then supplimented by tips. Please note that, in Ontario, the people behind the bar get a lower mimimum wage than everyone else, lower than the student rate of minimum wage.
http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/...de/minwage.php
Whether or not people believe this to be a fair and just way of having things is irrelevant. Tipping for service is the norm in North America.
Servers, bar staff etc generally get paid a minimum wage which is then supplimented by tips. Please note that, in Ontario, the people behind the bar get a lower mimimum wage than everyone else, lower than the student rate of minimum wage.
http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/...de/minwage.php
Whether or not people believe this to be a fair and just way of having things is irrelevant. Tipping for service is the norm in North America.
If one accepts that it is the norm and that it would be done, I cannot fathom the argument against paying the staff (servers, meet and greet, chefs, etc.) a decent wage and adjusting the prices accordingly. In theory, wouldn't that result in the same amount being paid for the experience?
Then tipping could be left to acknowledging great service. I suspect I am missing something.
Apologies to Tangram. In response to what you have said, I have done something similar although, IIRC, it was "Don't leave us sitting at the table for 40 mins without taking our order." On that day, no tip was left. I am confident some will say I was wrong but the venue was empty when we arrived and the server was chatting to another server the whole time
Oct 14th 2011, 4:18 pm
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Oct 14th 2011, 4:23 pm
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Re: No tip with a tip
I do tip, before anyone jumps all over me, usually 20% but ...
If one accepts that it is the norm and that it would be done, I cannot fathom the argument against paying the staff (servers, meet and greet, chefs, etc.) a decent wage and adjusting the prices accordingly. In theory, wouldn't that result in the same amount being paid for the experience?
Then tipping could be left to acknowledging great service. I suspect I am missing something.
Apologies to Tangram. In response to what you have said, I have done something similar although, IIRC, it was "Don't leave us sitting at the table for 40 mins without taking our order." On that day, no tip was left. I am confident some will say I was wrong but the venue was empty when we arrived and the server was chatting to another server the whole time
If one accepts that it is the norm and that it would be done, I cannot fathom the argument against paying the staff (servers, meet and greet, chefs, etc.) a decent wage and adjusting the prices accordingly. In theory, wouldn't that result in the same amount being paid for the experience?
Then tipping could be left to acknowledging great service. I suspect I am missing something.
Apologies to Tangram. In response to what you have said, I have done something similar although, IIRC, it was "Don't leave us sitting at the table for 40 mins without taking our order." On that day, no tip was left. I am confident some will say I was wrong but the venue was empty when we arrived and the server was chatting to another server the whole time
Oct 14th 2011, 4:29 pm
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Oct 14th 2011, 4:34 pm
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Re: No tip with a tip
When did the whole tip thing become number driven? You should be able to give whatever amount you want, if you choose to without them saying it has to be x amount on paper or machine in the first place 
Oct 14th 2011, 4:58 pm
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Re: No tip with a tip
If one accepts that it is the norm and that it would be done, I cannot fathom the argument against paying the staff (servers, meet and greet, chefs, etc.) a decent wage and adjusting the prices accordingly. In theory, wouldn't that result in the same amount being paid for the experience?
Do people argue against that? I have no idea, I have never worked in a tip driven environment.
It would be interesting to hear the point of view of bartenders & servers. Are they happy to receive a reduced minimum wage with tips on top? Or would they support a change to receive just a minimum wage, but one which is equal to everyone else.
Oct 14th 2011, 5:29 pm
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Re: No tip with a tip
Well, you're a feisty lot aren't you? I'm still not sure I understand the thinking behind tipping, but I'm more informed about it...
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Thanks for the helpful link - the system is very different here from in the UK, but it seems that a person is rewarded for their skills, therefore a student (acquiring skills) is paid slightly more than a bartender (unskilled).
I have worked in hotels, restaurants and pubs. Tipping was not unheard of, but generally practised by wealthy people or Americans or a combination of the two. Working in a bar, a customer buying you a drink was more common than leaving a tip.
I don't dispute that tipping is the norm in North America, but I disagree that a belief in fairness and justice is irrelevant.
If it is a widely held belief that people in the service industry are underpaid, then steps should be taken to rectify the situation. Maybe someone should bring it up around election time.
Thanks to everyone for sharing your knowledge and views, please put me straight if I'm wrong but it seems tipping in Canada is about supplementing the wages of the lowest earners, more than an appreciation of exceptional service.
[QUOTE]
Servers, bar staff etc generally get paid a minimum wage which is then supplemented by tips. Please note that, in Ontario, the people behind the bar get a lower minimum wage than everyone else, lower than the student rate of minimum wage.
http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/...de/minwage.php
Whether or not people believe this to be a fair and just way of having things is irrelevant.
http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/...de/minwage.php
Whether or not people believe this to be a fair and just way of having things is irrelevant.
I don't dispute that tipping is the norm in North America, but I disagree that a belief in fairness and justice is irrelevant.
If it is a widely held belief that people in the service industry are underpaid, then steps should be taken to rectify the situation. Maybe someone should bring it up around election time.
Thanks to everyone for sharing your knowledge and views, please put me straight if I'm wrong but it seems tipping in Canada is about supplementing the wages of the lowest earners, more than an appreciation of exceptional service.
Oct 14th 2011, 5:32 pm
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Re: No tip with a tip
[QUOTE=AishaA;9675143]Well, you're a feisty lot aren't you? I'm still not sure I understand the thinking behind tipping, but I'm more informed about it...
Thanks for the helpful link - the system is very different here from in the UK, but it seems that a person is rewarded for their skills, therefore a student (acquiring skills) is paid slightly more than a bartender (unskilled). I have worked in hotels, restaurants and pubs. Tipping was not unheard of, but generally practised by wealthy people or Americans or a combination of the two. Working in a bar, a customer buying you a drink was more common than leaving a tip.
I don't dispute that tipping is the norm in North America, but I disagree that a belief in fairness and justice is irrelevant.
If it is a widely held belief that people in the service industry are underpaid, then steps should be taken to rectify the situation. Maybe someone should bring it up around election time.
Thanks to everyone for sharing your knowledge and views, please put me straight if I'm wrong but it seems tipping in Canada is about supplementing the wages of the lowest earners, more than an appreciation of exceptional service.
A little from column A and a little from column B.
Thanks for the helpful link - the system is very different here from in the UK, but it seems that a person is rewarded for their skills, therefore a student (acquiring skills) is paid slightly more than a bartender (unskilled). I have worked in hotels, restaurants and pubs. Tipping was not unheard of, but generally practised by wealthy people or Americans or a combination of the two. Working in a bar, a customer buying you a drink was more common than leaving a tip.
I don't dispute that tipping is the norm in North America, but I disagree that a belief in fairness and justice is irrelevant.
If it is a widely held belief that people in the service industry are underpaid, then steps should be taken to rectify the situation. Maybe someone should bring it up around election time.
Thanks to everyone for sharing your knowledge and views, please put me straight if I'm wrong but it seems tipping in Canada is about supplementing the wages of the lowest earners, more than an appreciation of exceptional service.
Oct 14th 2011, 5:58 pm
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Re: No tip with a tip
Tipping = performance related pay.
Oct 14th 2011, 6:14 pm
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Re: No tip with a tip
Had a meal at a restaurant in Banff recently. The menu had a very prominent statement "It is customary in Canada to provide a 15% tip for service". Somewhat heavy handed but I suspect the majority of the overseas vistors do not come from countries where tipping is the custom. I did leave a 15% tip and tend to these days although it does go completely against the grain.
Oct 14th 2011, 6:38 pm
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Re: No tip with a tip
