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Re: The new labour leader...
Originally Posted by Alex2201
(Post 11746577)
I think that is a stretch based on them frequently embarrassing the government through the Blair years.
They are hardly likely to support the Tory party most of which want to privatise the BBC. ;) The Beeb are as neutral as any media outlet anywhere in the world. |
Re: The new labour leader...
Originally Posted by Alex2201
(Post 11746594)
Guaranteed a Lib Dem boost? Perhaps you would wager that you would eat your hat? :rofl:
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Re: The new labour leader...
Originally Posted by mikelincs
(Post 11746578)
No, with the unions backing Corbyn, and using their power to get him elected so that he could, if he was ever lucky enough to get into power, give them back their power.
Labour has made sure it's unelectable at the next General Election by this decision, and guaranteed the Lib/Dems a big boost. |
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There must have been a high Conservative vote (and probably a lot of Lib Dems as well, because he's their best chance!). 85% of the '3 quid affiliate' votes went to Red Jeremy.
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Originally Posted by Alex2201
(Post 11746594)
Erm Yes ...... The numbers dont lie. Jeremy received votes from across the spectrum of party members.
Luck tends not to play much of a role in how people vote. Unelectable? Factually incorrect. ;) Guaranteed a Lib Dem boost? Perhaps you would wager that you would eat your hat? :rofl: Any more vacuous statements to add? |
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It will be interesting to see how the PM offers his congratulations to the new leader at the next PMQs.
The day the Labour Party died - Telegraph |
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Corbyn and the left have huge walls to break down before they can ever think about competing on equal terms with the tories.
They have an unfair distribution of the electorate acting against them, they will face a determined character assassination from the press, but perhaps most of all will be their Blair legacy. I suspect I was not alone when I made a promise to myself never ever to vote Labour ever again. Darry Taylor was my Labour MP and I protested to her against the Iraq War only to be sent copies of Blair's speeches. Stockton south has been Tory ever since. And to think I canvassed for Labour at the 1964 election when Harold Wilson was elected and who did us proud by keeping the UK out of another catastrophe that was Vietnam. A better man than Blair I think. |
Re: The new labour leader...
Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 11746956)
Corbyn and the left have huge walls to break down before they can ever think about competing on equal terms with the tories.
They have an unfair distribution of the electorate acting against them, they will face a determined character assassination from the press, but perhaps most of all will be their Blair legacy. I suspect I was not alone when I made a promise to myself never ever to vote Labour ever again. Darry Taylor was my Labour MP and I protested to her against the Iraq War only to be sent copies of Blair's speeches. Stockton south has been Tory ever since. And to think I canvassed for Labour at the 1964 election when Harold Wilson was elected and who did us proud by keeping the UK out of another catastrophe that was Vietnam. A better man than Blair I think. |
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I'm aware of all the "unelectable" theories. We've already seen examples of it in the much referred to 80s.
I'm just not convinced Labour should be selecting its leaders according to 'advice' from the Daily Mail and the Telegraph. What's the point of choosing an electable alternative so watered down it doesn't provide an alternative? |
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I have a jaundiced view of all who would seek to become a politician.
The very thought that an idea that I might have should be preferred to one of yours and that mine should prevail, especially in the area of making laws is unsettling to say the least. But if we must have these people then at least let them have a few principled ethics on which to base their judgement. Unfortunately, in today's media driven society, where any small accident is derided as stupidity and pounced on by the press as evidence of incompetence, it is essential to either work outside the box or be locked within it, who can forget that Kinnock stumble on a beach that made him the butt of so many jokes? The Trump experience is the outstanding example of ignoring the box completely and Farage might be levering the lid up but the box is there just below him. Let us hope that Corbyn has the energy and charisma to lift the lid a little too. It'll take a major catastrophe that can be laid at the door of Conservative Central Office to persuade an electorate who remembers the overspending Labour years and the Iraq fiasco to trust Labour again, no matter who leads it. And this is something of an achievement given the power mad and police state like antics of the latter days of the Thatcher era. Blair and his toady MP's (well most of them anyway) may well go down in history as the best thing that happened to the tories in a generation. |
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
(Post 11746966)
I'm aware of all the "unelectable" theories. We've already seen examples of it in the much referred to 80s.
I'm just not convinced Labour should be selecting its leaders according to 'advice' from the Daily Mail and the Telegraph. What's the point of choosing an electable alternative so watered down it doesn't provide an alternative? |
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6 of the shadow cabinet have aleady said they will not serve under him
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Re: The new labour leader...
Originally Posted by mikelincs
(Post 11747037)
6 of the shadow cabinet have aleady said they will not serve under him
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Re: The new labour leader...
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11747039)
That's rather the point, isn't it? New broom and all that. The incumbent hierarchy have more than proved their uselessness.
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Originally Posted by mikelincs
(Post 11747137)
However some of them had been asked by Corbyn to be in the shadow cabinet if he was elected leader, and they turned him down. So we may well be faced with a shadow cabinet that, like the new leader, have never been in any front bench position, and have little or no idea of what is going on.
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