National Anthem at school.
Sep 28th 2021, 7:36 pm
#31
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Re: National Anthem at school.
In England the law says that all pupils in state schools must take part in an act of daily superstitious nonsense of prayer. And most of the time (by law) it has to be Christian. That’s to do with non-separation of church and state. Parents must specifically request for their kids to be excluded from the religious ritual every other kid is taking part in, which is in itself an act of religious discrimination.
Many schools, particularly secondary ones, do not follow the law, but your luck of avoiding Christian indoctrination very much depends on where you live.
Many schools, particularly secondary ones, do not follow the law, but your luck of avoiding Christian indoctrination very much depends on where you live.
Sep 28th 2021, 8:22 pm
#32
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Re: National Anthem at school.
More importantly does anyone still stand for The Allelujah Chorus?
Sep 28th 2021, 8:57 pm
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Re: National Anthem at school.
Daily prayer ? What law is that ? In any case, Britain is now very much an atheist country with churches across the land being turned into cafes, bars or flats. So any theoretcial state induced religous indoctrination is not having much of an affect. In my experience there is far more religous faith in Canada than in Britain, probably a geographical hazzard of being next door to those bible bashers to the south.
Sep 28th 2021, 10:05 pm
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Re: National Anthem at school.
Daily prayer ? What law is that ? In any case, Britain is now very much an atheist country with churches across the land being turned into cafes, bars or flats. So any theoretcial state induced religous indoctrination is not having much of an affect. In my experience there is far more religous faith in Canada than in Britain, probably a geographical hazzard of being next door to those bible bashers to the south.
From Wikipedia "The law on compulsory collective worship was first introduced by Section 25 of the 1944 Education Act The legislation was subsequently developed by the Education Reform Act 1988 by Chapter III of the Education Act 1996 and, most recently, by the School Standards and Framework Act 1998"
Maybe things are a-changing?
"Young more likely to pray than over-55s - survey"
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58681075
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Sep 28th 2021, 10:25 pm
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Re: National Anthem at school.
Law or not, one would assume that enforced Christian praying was part of the school system going all the way back to the good times when the church in England used to burn women, Jews and heretics.
Sep 28th 2021, 10:29 pm
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Re: National Anthem at school.
Isn't this the Canadian Anthem?
In England, I went to a local "grant school" (fee paying but reduced) and to a small private school, and at both we had hymns and prayers every morning, but zero national anthem.
In England, I went to a local "grant school" (fee paying but reduced) and to a small private school, and at both we had hymns and prayers every morning, but zero national anthem.
Sep 30th 2021, 11:43 am
#37
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Re: National Anthem at school.
I remember this law from 1990 or so, current law seems to be from 1998
From Wikipedia "The law on compulsory collective worship was first introduced by Section 25 of the 1944 Education Act The legislation was subsequently developed by the Education Reform Act 1988 by Chapter III of the Education Act 1996 and, most recently, by the School Standards and Framework Act 1998"
Maybe things are a-changing?
"Young more likely to pray than over-55s - survey"
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58681075
From Wikipedia "The law on compulsory collective worship was first introduced by Section 25 of the 1944 Education Act The legislation was subsequently developed by the Education Reform Act 1988 by Chapter III of the Education Act 1996 and, most recently, by the School Standards and Framework Act 1998"
Maybe things are a-changing?
"Young more likely to pray than over-55s - survey"
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58681075
Oct 5th 2021, 5:48 am
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Re: National Anthem at school.
What would be brilliant if everybody sang a different national anthem at the same time?
I got to say as national anthems go, the Soviet Union one is the best ever.
I got to say as national anthems go, the Soviet Union one is the best ever.
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Oct 5th 2021, 1:33 pm
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Re: National Anthem at school.
[QUOTE=Oink;13058654]What would be brilliant if everybody sang a different national anthem at the same time?
I got to say as national anthems go, the Soviet Union one is the best ever.
As best exemplified in "The Hunt for Red October".... (We schail into history skip to 2.35ish)
I got to say as national anthems go, the Soviet Union one is the best ever.
As best exemplified in "The Hunt for Red October".... (We schail into history skip to 2.35ish)
Oct 5th 2021, 1:44 pm
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Re: National Anthem at school.
What would be brilliant if everybody sang a different national anthem at the same time?
I got to say as national anthems go, the Soviet Union one is the best ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvvZX3G3I8o
I got to say as national anthems go, the Soviet Union one is the best ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvvZX3G3I8o
Oct 5th 2021, 1:49 pm
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Oct 5th 2021, 1:54 pm
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Oct 10th 2021, 8:37 am
#43
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Re: National Anthem at school.
What would be brilliant if everybody sang a different national anthem at the same time?
I got to say as national anthems go, the Soviet Union one is the best ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvvZX3G3I8o
I got to say as national anthems go, the Soviet Union one is the best ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvvZX3G3I8o
Oct 12th 2021, 3:26 pm
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Re: National Anthem at school.
I'd rather say it's good for military things, remembrance ceremonies, etc... Something where state, government or military are involved, not schooling. Unless it's teaching about Canada.
Oct 13th 2021, 11:03 am
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Re: National Anthem at school.
It honestly doesn't bother me much, but overall I feel that that's a bit out of place for school if it's an every day event.
I'd rather say it's good for military things, remembrance ceremonies, etc... Something where state, government or military are involved, not schooling. Unless it's teaching about Canada.
I'd rather say it's good for military things, remembrance ceremonies, etc... Something where state, government or military are involved, not schooling. Unless it's teaching about Canada.