The general tone of your "UK gone to the dogs, look what terrible thing happened there now" I find to be gloating. Why else would you trouble to point out bad things happening there? The only other explanation that occurs to me is that it's about reassurance, if you cashed in your equity you can't go back and maybe you need to feel that you wouldn't want to. Either way picking at problems in the UK seems pointless, if you want to move on just move on.

Radiographers have clients too. Women who come for breast screening arent ill so they arent patients. Spinal injury people dont consider themselves ill and so dont like to be called patients

what aload of crap... i can tell you without reservation violent cirme is going up. the difference is now the police and government know how to cook the books to make the figures lower..

i know this to be fact as we were trained how to do it in the police.

for example, if we see a fight outsde a pub. we lock them up, but neither of them are making a complaint against the other we would normally just charge them with sec 4 of the public order act, which is fear of violence.

now if we did that would be classed as a violent crime, so the bosses would not allow that. and the way they got round this was saying if they had been drinking we must use drunk and disorderly as the charge instead.. and guess what, drunk and disorderly is not a violent crime..

so potentially this could happen 10 to 15 times or more every weekend night. none of which make it to the violent crime figures. and the way they do it is using alcohol as an excuse to behave badly!!! now this is a small city i worked in. multiply by 4 for bigger cities!

if you dont believe me, apply to the police for figures of people arrested for a violent crime then not charged with one!!!!

in other words, dont believe what you read with crime figures, they are all manipulated to suit.

And you are one of the believers of the mis guided, juggled, shuffled and adjusted statistics/surveys that are available for us to read?

correct me if i'm wrong Kitty Kerr, was this because simply put the resources and back up further along simply would not hold up anyway and therefore all crimes are being put down/having to be dealt with as less serious so that they might just get some penalty for what they did?

It s the whole damn system that is failing:curse:

maybe if there weren't so many hands tied, there would be more positive results and therefore more deterrent. It only moves down from the top - not the other way round.............

sorry folks, hate this whole subject/situation, it makes me feel sick to the stomach, all i think of is my two boys and what it would be like in another 10 years time.

deep breath

partly so yes, however a lot of it is purely down to surveys like that. the public like to think that violent crime is falling, its the sort of crime that worries people the most. so the government give them what they want to hear, and make the violent crime figures lower...

another example is section 5 public order is classed as violent crime. but the rules have changed so police officers themselves cannot be the victim of this crime. (basically swearing and typical bad behaviour)
the reason why police can no longer be victims is we used it too much. and this adds to the violent crime figures, and we wouldnt want a true picture of what's happening would we???


now the reason why we used it a lot was its better to arrest someone who is trying to cause trouble BEFORE they manage to actually do so. but now we cant unless we can find some member of the public to complain about the persons behaviour.

so in essence this means the ones stirring the trouble get away with it, until the violence actually starts. by that time some innocent person has probably been assaulted!!! things like this are the main reason why i left the UK police. the system is a failure. that and the fact the government are too interested in making the police satisfy surveys by reams of paperwork.

as you say there is no deterrant. like the 3 burglaries, minimum 3 year sentence! yeh right, i have known people with 20 convictions for burglary who havnt spent a day inside!!

I thought I'd enliven this thread with a tale of Canadians gang raping a fourteen year old. Country gone to dogs, rot in the schools, yadda, yadda, perhaps I should move to the UK so to give any future children a better life.

http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/258597

Whatever makes you more comfortable, everyone has individual reasons for their actions and thoughts. Sometimes people have the luxury of ignorance is bliss, some no longer have that. I think if you have lost all faith in the whole system there is only limited solutions - do something about it ( impossible!), get out and try to make things better for your family unit.
You could sit here all day finding and posting examples from each and every country in the world. It all depends if you, personally, can justify things to yourself and comfortably live with whats going around you in whatever country you chose to live in. If you get that ignorance is bliss for 5 /10 years in a new country, well i am happy to give that a try and if i get it for even longer then great! At least i've done something about it, not just sat moaning and groaning.

It's interesting to read that many of the posters who have negatively commented on NSPaul's 'message' behind the thread are already in Canada. To still be here in the UK and to experience these things is a reality.

Compare the size of Canada with the UK and the overall statistical information on crime rates and I'm pretty sure the the UK can win hands down. Sadly many of the victims are either young or old, both ends of the age spectrum are the easy targets and those who try to defend property or people from perpetrators of these crimes often become victims themselves.

'Happy slapping' is de rigeur and I absolutely dread picking my 13 year old daughter up from school because even though we live in a nice, wealthy town many teenagers are very very disrespectful. You only have to drive behind the school bus to see how they treat each other never mind anyone else.

My OH is a firefighter and the amount of abuse they suffer each and every night is apalling from teenagers and drunks.

Crime is everywhere, there's no doubting that but much crime here is a result of lighter treatment by schools (you get a C1, C2, C3 then a C4 and if you're really naughty a lunch-time detention!), the lack of 'on the street' bobbies, parents afraid of touching or shouting at their kids because they will be accused of child abuse and a country full of people afraid of saying anything, which may be construed as racist or lible.

I am proud to be British in many ways, it is a nation with a long historical notebook of achievements but to be proud to be British and want to live in Britain are very different things.

A reality. Another reality is to be among the violence, crime, dirt, begging and air pollution in Canada. Life is shit for the poor in either country (by the standards of the west). It's not somehow more valid to compare them because you're sitting in one and not the other.

I do like the idea of enjoying five years of ignorance, I see the sense in that.

Crime isn't about being poor!

Especially the type of incidents, which were highlighted by NSPaul's original thread.

I've been pretty darn poor for the majority of my life. I was brought up on a council estate in the 70s and 80s when factories were closing and there was high unemployment.

Crime wasn't like it is now, it's now more about the grim and morbid satisfaction of doing the crime and getting away with it than stealing because you're hungry or fighting to protect your children.

http://www.thechronicleherald.ca/Metro/897476.html

http://www.thechronicleherald.ca/Metro/897449.html

http://www.thechronicleherald.ca/Nov...a/9004197.html

http://www.thechronicleherald.ca/NovaScotia/897480.html

Good job you moved to a crimeless place then..............NOT!!!!
DBD33 was right, your post does have undertones of gloating.
just what was the point of this post? we all know the good and bad points of both the UK and Canada so what has this post proved/pointed out that we haven't had in another dozen posts of this type?

Just out of interest, these are the top 15 countries in which residents experience serious crime, per capita. Interestingly, to go back to my point about it not being necessarily a poor thing, note that some of the richest countries in the world have some of the highest crime rates.

There were 60 countries in total so both the Uk and Canada feature quite high in the statistical "hit" parade!


#1 Dominica: 113.822 per 1,000 people
#2 New Zealand: 105.881 per 1,000 people
#3 Finland: 101.526 per 1,000 people
#4 Denmark: 92.8277 per 1,000 people
#5 Chile: 88.226 per 1,000 people
#6 United Kingdom: 85.5517 per 1,000 people
#7 Montserrat: 80.3982 per 1,000 people
#8 United States: 80.0645 per 1,000 people
#9 Netherlands: 79.5779 per 1,000 people
#10 South Africa: 77.1862 per 1,000 people
#11 Germany: 75.9996 per 1,000 people
#12 Canada: 75.4921 per 1,000 people
#13 Norway: 71.8639 per 1,000 people
#14 France: 62.1843 per 1,000 people
#15 Seychelles: 52.9265 per 1,000 people

Statistics again though. All these sort of comparative studies are fatally flawed as in general all the statistics are provided by government sources, and violent crime will be defined very differently from place to place.

In a similar vein, do you really believe Cuba is among the best healthcare providers in the world?...the UN does, but guess where they get the stats from to prove it....

Yes, I know how unreliable they are. I maintain statistics myself and know how easily they can be tinkered with.

It's just interesting to see that according to the global statistical information collected, that the UK is higher than Canada. How else can information be gathered if it isn't by statistical data?

I think it's probably a case of the richer countries probably have better recording methods, Best Value paperchases and all that crap. Though India came out top as the murder capital of the world with over 37,170 murders!