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Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Im not at all sure how true that is. You certainly seem to remember the old days as more high brow and serious than I do. Sure, there were some intelligent debates now and then, but then there still are. There was a lot of crap too.
Personally I think most newbies get their questions answered fairly well and fairly quickly. In the past there was no wiki to direct them to, for FAQs there is no harm directing people to the wealth of knowledge in the wiki, it would be insulting to ignore it, if only for the sake of Judi who wrote a lot of it initially. There are more members and posters in general, so the law of numbers means that more are going to be off topic at some point anyway. Most of the degeneration seems to be to me when two old hands butt heads or try and have the last word, or as you say "score points", at least thats how it seems to me. But it takes two for that to happen, so dont get involved is my advice. In the last few months, since the last (and final;)) round of mod bashing there have been far less need for moderators to act, and very few complaints. Several old hands have returned, and generally, from my perspective there has been peace and love across the land. But you werent around for a large part of that...(coincidence?) Having said all that, I dont want this thread to degenerate into comments about moderation...you all know the ropes, if you have something to say, feel free to do it by Private Message. |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy
(Post 7939903)
OK perhaps I ought to explain (I had considered trying to start a thread on this topic).
Once upon a time...... Souv, dbd, Novo, Iain, Steve_P, Judy(in Calgary) and several who have either disappeared or are now on the back benches, once upheld the more informative, educational, intelligent end of the forum. They would either start 'intelligent' threads or contribute in an 'intelligent' manner, intelligent debate was the order of the day (for gods sake even I occassionally contributed something 'worthwhile'). Mods stayed out of the bickering (rightly or wrongly). 'Stupidity' and inane comments\posts were reserved for the Maple Leaf. Newbies were treated with more respect. The first response to a question was NOT 'Go look at the (f'in) wiki.' Over the last year or so things have changed, NO ONE seems to have any respect or patience, point scoring seems to be more important than genuinely 'helping' each other, mod bashing (rightly or wrongly) has almost been elevated to an Olympic event and worst of all the previously intelligent threads and post are either not appearing or are lost in a sea of dross, tedium and mediocrity. I suspect the issue has a lot to do with the fact that many of the 'debate' threads have topics that have been discussed many times before and as such its easy to fall into banter and points scoring rather than go over the same things yet again. Myself, I don't post many new threads, but I do try to post ones that require some thought (e.g. the first nations one recently). If you want to discuss something intelligently, I'm all for it. But you kind of set the tone for this one with the OP:p |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 7939785)
I think of it more as being a prefect at school. The headmistress wields the real power, we are just her spies, we happen to be here to see some of the naughty stuff that goes on, or for people to grass offender and bullies up to...
Firstly let me say I do respect your opinion and will even go so far as to say I've been around here long enough to consider you a friend. That being said when you enter into a debate as in this case: http://britishexpats.com/forum/showp...1&postcount=57 Everything you said is valid up until the last line "Please, keep it civil. You all know the rules by now." by adding this last line you have become the bully. Because the word Moderator is under your name you're implying you have the big stick and you're not afraid to use it. This is what I object to. Just my opinion others may or may not agree.;) |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 7939959)
I've had some good debates with dboy, Oink, JonboyE, yourself, Steve_P since I've been posting regularly, although they are rarer than they were. We don't discuss enough contentious stuff here for sure, but there is always at least one or two threads on the main page that are serious (e.g. the hunting one).
I suspect the issue has a lot to do with the fact that many of the 'debate' threads have topics that have been discussed many times before and as such its easy to fall into banter and points scoring rather than go over the same things yet again. Myself, I don't post many new threads, but I do try to post ones that require some thought (e.g. the first nations one recently). If you want to discuss something intelligently, I'm all for it. But you kind of set the tone for this one with the OP:p I could take offence and flounce you know! :p |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by The4BellsLondon
(Post 7939999)
Huh - see my name wasn't in there!!! :ohmy:
I could take offence and flounce you know! :p |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by Steve_P
(Post 7939989)
Let me try another tack.
Firstly let me say I do respect your opinion and will even go so far as to say I've been around here long enough to consider you a friend. That being said when you enter into a debate as in this case: http://britishexpats.com/forum/showp...1&postcount=57 "Please, keep it civil. You all know the rules by now." b This is what I object to. Just my opinion others may or may not agree.;) |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by The4BellsLondon
(Post 7939999)
Huh - see my name wasn't in there!!! :ohmy:
I could take offence and flounce you know! :p suck it up princess? (no thats not it) Tough Tayties? (nope) ah yes I got it........... Dont let the door hit your ass on the way out. ONLY Joking Hun, I for one would miss you.................... I mean who else is going to make me look vaguely intelligent?????? oh yeah essexman and Edo will still be around I guess. :p:sneaky::p |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 7940003)
Fair cop. There was a thread about tea recently - want to go over the finer points of orange pekoe again?
Actually am off to read Planning mag which I get sent free from the RTPI in Uk but the PIBC are being arsey bout my credentials - hmm but have still cashed my cheque!! cheeky buggers! |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by Simon Legree
(Post 7940005)
I cannot see anything of a threat in that. Just a simple request to "keep it civil" followed by the observation that we "all know the rules by now". Actually I am sometimes amazed at Ian's restraint.
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Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy
(Post 7940012)
what was that phrase again......................
suck it up princess? (no thats not it) Tough Tayties? (nope) ah yes I got it........... Dont let the door hit your ass on the way out. ONLY Joking Hun, I for one would miss you.................... I mean who else is going to make me look vaguely intelligent?????? oh yeah essexman and Edo will still be around I guess. :p:sneaky::p |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by The4BellsLondon
(Post 7940021)
oi - I'll have you know that I have a degree and a post grad thingy too!!
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Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy
(Post 7940026)
I have two and a Masters, doesnt stop me looking like a complete brain dead tosser though does it. :o
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Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by Steve_P
(Post 7940018)
On it's own it looks innocuous but along with other posts in the same vein it has a deeper meaning.
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Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
I was just wondering if Butch and Alan were married in a former life??? :confused:
Honestly the way you two go on is like a divorced couple that still secretly care enough about each other to argue just as a means of keeping in contact :rofl: Just cut the BS and get a room the pair of you ;) |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by mandymoochops
(Post 7940038)
I was just wondering if Butch and Alan were married in a former life??? :confused:
Honestly the way you two go on is like a divorced couple that still secretly care enough about each other to argue just as a means of keeping in contact :rofl: Just cut the BS and get a room the pair of you ;) |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by mandymoochops
(Post 7940038)
I was just wondering if Butch and Alan were married in a former life??? :confused:
Honestly the way you two go on is like a divorced couple that still secretly care enough about each other to argue just as a means of keeping in contact :rofl: Just cut the BS and get a room the pair of you ;) |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by The4BellsLondon
(Post 7940030)
Do you have two degrees, or saying you have a degree too?? Sorry, just being pedantic. . . .;)
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Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy
(Post 7940046)
two degrees :p
Some times I like to use all my letters after my name - cos it looks pretty! |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 7940041)
I can't say I care for your analogy. It might surprise you, but I actually quite like Butch.
now shut up and swallow the bacon. |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy
(Post 7940054)
The feeling is mutual.........................
now shut up and swallow the bacon. |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by Steve_P
(Post 7939989)
Let me try another tack.
Firstly let me say I do respect your opinion and will even go so far as to say I've been around here long enough to consider you a friend. That being said when you enter into a debate as in this case: http://britishexpats.com/forum/showp...1&postcount=57 Everything you said is valid up until the last line "Please, keep it civil. You all know the rules by now." by adding this last line you have become the bully. Because the word Moderator is under your name you're implying you have the big stick and you're not afraid to use it. This is what I object to. Just my opinion others may or may not agree.;) There is no implication. I do have a stick, and I'm NOT afraid to use it if necessary. That goes with the "moderator" under my name. However, i dont want to use it regularly and I would rather warn people to back off before having to get seriously involved in order to keep the peace. Now, what I hope I've done its warn them that if they get nasty about each other, that further action will not be far away. There is a lot of paperwork in triplicate and sworn affadavids etc involved in banning users:sneaky: (no, not really) Granted, I could do it by PM, and would have if it was just one person having a go, but as it was two or three people, it becomes more work. Now EVERYONE who reads it knows where the line is, so with any luck it might save me having to send PMs in other threads at a later date, which cuts down the amount of time I spend as a moderator here, allowing more time to answer newbie posts properly or just to hang out, etc etc. Its preventative action, and over the last few months seems to have helped get most people here on the same page I hope. Its certainly less effort to moderate here now than it was 6 months ago when everyone was getting used to the idea again and there were a dozen or more posts reported daily as abusive to deal with and smooth over. Now I dont want to speak for CO, but that seems to me what she was trying to say to butch at the start of this thread, that starting threads to comment on other threads or make some point about them was sailing a little close to the point of trolling and posting just to provoke a heated discussion, when it would be better for all concerned to just live and let live and move on to the next thread... I hope its now clear where I am coming from. |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 7940070)
Now I dont want to speak for CO, but that seems to me what she was trying to say to butch at the start of this thread, that starting threads to comment on other threads or make some point about them was sailing a little close to the point of trolling and posting just to provoke a heated discussion, when it would be better for all concerned to just live and let live and move on to the next thread... I admit I may be guilty of sarcasm in other threads, but not at the START of this one. Anyway what is wrong with trying to promote a heated discussion? As I have continually stated over the last couple of days the forum (to me at least) is verging on the tedious. If you want that then I suggest watching Entertainment Tonight Canada and the local news from Halifax |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by Simon Legree
(Post 7940005)
I cannot see anything of a threat in that. Just a simple request to "keep it civil" followed by the observation that we "all know the rules by now". Actually I am sometimes amazed at Ian's restraint.
You mods!!are alright,and i hate rules!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by micknev
(Post 7940091)
Well said matey,i have a gander on here from time to time,and if some of the clowns who post on here were stood next to me,id knock em out,for sure.:sneaky:
You mods!!are alright,and i hate rules!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy
(Post 7940093)
So where are you 'matey'?:rolleyes:
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Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by micknev
(Post 7940098)
Behind You!
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Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy
(Post 7940084)
Absolute BULLSHIT, this was started as a SERIOUS thread. We had seen no mention of Eddies efforts, I simply asked what most people considered MORE newsworthy.
I admit I may be guilty of sarcasm in other threads, but not at the START of this one. Anyway what is wrong with trying to promote a heated discussion? As I have continually stated over the last couple of days the forum (to me at least) is verging on the tedious. If you want that then I suggest watching Entertainment Tonight Canada and the local news from Halifax
Originally Posted by RULE 4
4. Trolling on this site is not tolerated. We define trolling as any inflammatory threads or posts that are started with the sole intent of upsetting or antagonizing other members. Anyone found making such posts will be removed from the forums.
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Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 7940070)
Granted, I could do it by PM, and would have if it was just one person having a go, but as it was two or three people, it becomes more work. Now EVERYONE who reads it knows where the line is, so with any luck it might save me having to send PMs in other threads at a later date, which cuts down the amount of time I spend as a moderator here, allowing more time to answer newbie posts properly or just to hang out, etc etc. Its preventative action, and over the last few months seems to have helped get most people here on the same page I hope. Its certainly less effort to moderate here now than it was 6 months ago when everyone was getting used to the idea again. I don't necessarily see it as preventative but more so intimidation. |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by Steve_P
(Post 7940135)
I don't necessarily see it as preventative but more so intimidation.
Its only going to be intimidation if you are thinking of posting something over the line. I see it as fair warning. The proof of the rhubarb pudding is that neither CO or myself have to intervene with bans or thread edits and deletions outside of spammers very often now. |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 7940152)
Tomahto Tomehto from my perspective.
Its only going to be intimidation if you are thinking of posting something over the line. I see it as fair warning. The proof of the rhubarb pudding is that neither CO or myself have to intervene with bans or thread edits and deletions outside of spammers very often now. We'll just have to agree to disagree.;) |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 7940125)
Its like the boy who cried wolf though isnt it...I can see that maybe there is some truth in that, but there is "no smoke without fire" too. COs first post was about eddie izzard, then there was some personal spat between you and someone else after a sarchastic comment (something you are no stranger to) and it went south from there.
Erm...the rules:huh: The rules state NOTHING about heated discussion |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy
(Post 7940185)
Yes it did go south from the comment made by Louise, fuelled (as so often) by CO.
CO didnt fuel anything, she just pointed out your hypocracy in stating you didnt have a go at the other threads. The "getting into the spirit" thread was hardly a master piece of subtlety. The rules state NOTHING about heated discussion challenge others opinions with respect....dont resort to insults , dont start personal attacks yadda yadda yadda... is any of this ringing any bells? "Heated" is kind of the opposite of that isnt it? |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 7940208)
And with hindsite would in not have been better if you had just been the big man and ignored Louise, as so many ignore your sarkier comments?
CO didnt fuel anything, she just pointed out your hypocracy in stating you didnt have a go at the other threads. The "getting into the spirit" thread was hardly a master piece of subtlety. The rules have been pointed out enough to you I would have thought some of them might have sunk in.. challenge others opinions with respect....dont resort to insults , dont start personal attacks yadda yadda yadda... is any of this ringing any bells? "Heated" is kind of the opposite of that isnt it? And no "heated" is not mutually exclusive of the rules, you can have a "heated" argument without resorting to any of those things, admittedly it does require some intelligence and thought before putting finger to keyboard so perhaps it would be too much to expect from most of us on this forum. |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by Steve_P
(Post 7940163)
Maybe it's an age thing?
We'll just have to agree to disagree.;) |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy
(Post 7940228)
And no "heated" is not mutually exclusive of the rules, you can have a "heated" argument without resorting to any of those things, admittedly it does require some intelligence and thought before putting finger to keyboard so perhaps it would be too much to expect from most of us on this forum.
Why are you focussing on the use of the word heated so much, that wasnt the focus of that post. Take the wider point on board that starting threads about other threads that you could have just ignored is going to provoke exactly the response it did, and thats "upsetting or antagonizing other members". Perhaps you recognise those words from the rules too. Are you now going to insult my intelegence by pretending that the "Getting into the spirit" thread was anything but a commentary of sorts on the celeb obituary threads. Let it go. |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 7940260)
LOL, Good luck with that!
Why are you focussing on the use of the word heated so much, that wasnt the focus of that post. Take the wider point on board that starting threads about other threads that you could have just ignored is going to provoke exactly the response it did, and thats "upsetting or antagonizing other members". Perhaps you recognise those words from the rules too. Are you now going to insult my intelegence by pretending that the "Getting into the spirit" thread was anything but a commentary of sorts on the celeb obituary threads. Let it go. 2) Nicely side stepped the issue of other posters feeling that CO can be inflammatory. Well done.:thumbup: |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy
(Post 7940270)
2) Nicely side stepped the issue of other posters feeling that CO can be inflammatory. Well done.:thumbup:
No one should be blaming anyone else for what they post. That goes for you too. You are the one mashing at your keyboard, no one else. A wise man (I forget who) said that we have no control at all over 99% of what happens to us in life, the only thing we have control over is our ATTITUDE and how we RESPOND to those events, and that has a major influence on how things turn out from there. Dont go blaming other people for your actions, you are in control of those, and only you. |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 7940281)
I have no control over what other people think. Reading what she wrote, I could have typed it (only with more spelling mistakes), so you can probably imagine what I think.
No one should be blaming anyone else for what they post. That goes for you too. You are the one mashing at your keyboard, no one else. A wise man (I forget who) said that we have no control at all over 99% of what happens to us in life, the only thing we have control over is how we RESPOND to those events, and that has a major influence on how things turn out from there. Dont go blaming other people for your actions, you are in control of those, and only you. |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy
(Post 7940290)
Does this apply to the Mods as well.
I can only speak for myself. Sometime, because I am a mod, I will post stuff related to keeping order here that I would probably just ignore otherwise. Was that not clear from my previous post on the subject. However, when that happens I try and maintain a polite and civil demeanour, regardless of what I think of the.... Anyway, Ive said all I intend to, and work beckons once more. |
Re: Which is more 'newsworthy'?
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=630834 post #6
In breach of rules regarding trolling? |
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