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Zoe Bell Oct 7th 2013 7:21 am

Re: the mccann disappearance
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 10934498)
The prevailing wisdom changes and the environment changes too. Perhaps slightly more depravity in the world these days.

Don't have the figures to hand but I'm fairly certain that the incidence of child abductions etc is DOWN from 20/30 years ago.
What has increased is the publicity etc.

Perception rules over facts

Shard Oct 7th 2013 10:01 am

Re: the mccann disappearance
 

Originally Posted by Zoe Bell (Post 10934557)
Don't have the figures to hand but I'm fairly certain that the incidence of child abductions etc is DOWN from 20/30 years ago.
What has increased is the publicity etc.

Perception rules over facts

The data on child abductions is very sketchy, and made complicated by the fact that many abductions (approximately two thirds) are made by persons known to the child and/or parents in dispute. About 60-100 "stranger abductions" are said to take place in Britain annually, if anything the statistical trend seems fairly even.

Although there are misperceptions on the general crime level, I don't think that can necessarily be extrapolated onto abductions. In any case it is not the statistics that matter but the risk. Children have dramatically less freedom than they did a few decades ago (90% less by one account) and yet abductions persist. Who knows where the incidence of abduction would be if the kids were permitted to roam freely again. The high profile cases we hear of in the news each year are enough to discourage most parents from tempting fate.

Zoe Bell Oct 7th 2013 11:15 am

Re: the mccann disappearance
 
By that line of reasoning you could argue that the degree of freedom a child has , has no impact on their likelihood of being abducted.
The hysteria of seeing pedophiles everywhere we choose to look has a detrimental impact on a child's development

Shard Oct 7th 2013 11:24 am

Re: the mccann disappearance
 

Originally Posted by Zoe Bell (Post 10934844)
By that line of reasoning you could argue that the degree of freedom a child has , has no impact on their likelihood of being abducted.

How do you deduce that ???

Zoe Bell Oct 7th 2013 11:58 am

Re: the mccann disappearance
 
You state that children have considerably less freedom yet the abduction rate remains the same
You could draw the conclusion then that there is no link between the two factors

Siouxie Oct 7th 2013 12:12 pm

Re: the mccann disappearance
 
Surely if less children are out and about yet the number of abductions remain the same, then more children are being abducted than before.
1000 children playing out 10 abducted = 1%
50 children playing out 10 abducted = 20%

Shard Oct 7th 2013 12:24 pm

Re: the mccann disappearance
 
You could jump to that "false negative" conclusion, agreed, but it would be wrong.

Unless of course you don't accept that there is a relationship between "opportunity to abduct" and "incidence of abduction"?

Shard Oct 7th 2013 12:26 pm

Re: the mccann disappearance
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 10934896)
Surely if less children are out and about yet the number of abductions remain the same, then more children are being abducted than before.
1000 children playing out 10 abducted = 1%
50 children playing out 10 abducted = 20%

That's another way of looking at it, yes. Greater incidence of abduction.

bats Oct 7th 2013 12:48 pm

Re: the mccann disappearance
 
Are we talking abduction by strangers or Uncle Fred?

Shard Oct 7th 2013 12:49 pm

Re: the mccann disappearance
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 10934918)
Are we talking abduction by strangers or Uncle Fred?

Strangers only.

bats Oct 7th 2013 12:51 pm

Re: the mccann disappearance
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 10934919)
Strangers only.

But if they aren't found how do we know?

Shard Oct 7th 2013 12:53 pm

Re: the mccann disappearance
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 10934920)
But if they aren't found how do we know?

? They're reported missing. We're talking about abductions, not deaths.

dbd33 Oct 7th 2013 12:55 pm

Re: the mccann disappearance
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 10934918)
Are we talking abduction by strangers or Uncle Fred?

It hardly matters. If there are, as suggested above, 60 abductions per year in a population of 60 million people then the risk is about the same as that of being struck by lightning (http://www.torro.org.uk/site/lightning_info.php), that is, not sufficient to warrant taking any particular precaution against.

dbd33 Oct 7th 2013 12:56 pm

Re: the mccann disappearance
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 10934921)
? They're reported missing. We're talking about abductions, not deaths.

60 children reported missing isn't the same as 60 abducted. How many were just lost in the woods?

Shard Oct 7th 2013 12:57 pm

Re: the mccann disappearance
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10934923)
It hardly matters. If there are, as suggested above, 60 abductions per year in a population of 60 million people then the risk is about the same as that of being struck by lightning (http://www.torro.org.uk/site/lightning_info.php), that is, not sufficient to warrant taking any particular precaution against.

Kid population (untethered). Perhaps lightning whilst sitting on the church roof?


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