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-   The Maple Leaf (https://britishexpats.com/forum/maple-leaf-98/)
-   -   the mccann disappearance (https://britishexpats.com/forum/maple-leaf-98/mccann-disappearance-811228/)

Shard Oct 7th 2013 1:00 pm
Re: the mccann disappearance
 
Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10934926)
60 children reported missing isn't the same as 60 abducted. How many were just lost in the woods?
No it's proper abductions. Gone missing is a category as is uncle Fred. In fact in 2011 there were about 200, if I recall correctly. Here's the report I skimmed earlier. See page 36.

http://ceop.police.uk/Documents/ceop...nal%20Copy.pdf

dbd33 Oct 7th 2013 1:03 pm
Re: the mccann disappearance
 
Originally Posted by Shard (Post 10934927)
Kid population (untethered). Perhaps lightning whilst sitting on the church roof?
One gets a gobful from stangers for tethering children, though I can't say that ever bothered me. It's somewhat ironic that reins are out of fashion and so is kicking them out to play until supper time.

dbd33 Oct 7th 2013 1:07 pm
Re: the mccann disappearance
 
Originally Posted by Shard (Post 10934930)
No it's proper abductions. Gone missing is a category as is uncle Fred. In fact in 2011 there were about 200, if I recall correctly. Here's the report I skimmed earlier. See page 36.

http://ceop.police.uk/Documents/ceop...nal%20Copy.pdf
OK, then proper abductions are as common as lightning striking a person. I assume this includes abductions by family members and/or the other parent so actual stranger abductions are rare as hens' teeth.

Shard Oct 7th 2013 1:08 pm
Re: the mccann disappearance
 
Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10934933)
One gets a gobful from stangers for tethering children, though I can't say that ever bothered me. It's somewhat ironic that reins are out of fashion and so is kicking them out to play until supper time.
Oh we do that. Some sliver of sanity is required.

Shard Oct 7th 2013 1:12 pm
Re: the mccann disappearance
 
Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10934937)
OK, then proper abductions are as common as lightning striking a person. I assume this includes abductions by family members and/or the other parent so actual stranger abductions are rare as hens' teeth.
273 victims (abducted by strangers) in 2011 according to the report. Not really hens teeth.

dbd33 Oct 7th 2013 1:15 pm
Re: the mccann disappearance
 
Originally Posted by Shard (Post 10934939)
Oh we do that. Some sliver of sanity is required.
I did that too. But, by way of balance, I'd bellow at them, as they went off to parties, from the age of four or so, "have you got a condom?", "don't get in cars with weirdos you don't know", "stay away from the chemicals, stick with weed and booze". One does one's best to foster both independence and prudence in one's children.

Snap Shot Oct 7th 2013 1:19 pm
Re: the mccann disappearance
 
Originally Posted by MrsL22 (Post 10933319)
I completely agree. I myself don't have children yet, but who in their right mind leaves 3 children under 5. No matter how close you are!?

I've always raised the point that would the world be so forgiving if the Mccanns had not been professionals? Say it had been a single mother or a couple who both worked in minimum wage jobs? I've always thought in this story, something smells fishy.
Yeah, totally agree. I also agree that other children go missing every year and don't get this much 'paid for' media attention. What's in it for the McCanns ? I mean, really ? Clear their name of all the rumours ?

Do I know where Madelaine McCann is ? No, and I wasn't out drinking on the night she disappeared either. Did the girl's mother really exclaim, 'they've taken her ?'

dbd33 Oct 7th 2013 1:20 pm
Re: the mccann disappearance
 
Originally Posted by Shard (Post 10934942)
273 victims (abducted by strangers) in 2011 according to the report. Not really hens teeth.
I'd heard that:

"About 60-100 "stranger abductions" are said to take place in Britain annually, if anything the statistical trend seems fairly even."

but I suppose that was wrong.

Snap Shot Oct 7th 2013 1:23 pm
Re: the mccann disappearance
 
Originally Posted by MillieF (Post 10933327)
How old are you ? This is horrid...are you attempting for one second to try superiority?
Good for you...I'm glad you don't have kids yet....when you do? Good luck kid:thumbup:
When am I getting mine ? I've agreed with the poster you denigrate. Good luck with your, 'once upon a time' view of child rearing.

Here's a bit more ammunition for you: I don't have and don't want children.

Shard Oct 7th 2013 1:23 pm
Re: the mccann disappearance
 
Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10934952)
I'd heard that:

"About 60-100 "stranger abductions" are said to take place in Britain annually, if anything the statistical trend seems fairly even."

but I suppose that was wrong.
I was being conservative (based on other articles and Hansard). Of course annually and 2011 are different beasts. Apologies for the confusion. :unsure:

bats Oct 7th 2013 1:46 pm
Re: the mccann disappearance
 
Originally Posted by Shard (Post 10934921)
? They're reported missing. We're talking about abductions, not deaths.
But if the kids and abductors are never found and then how can you be certain it wad a stranger?

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10934923)
It hardly matters. If there are, as suggested above, 60 abductions per year in a population of 60 million people then the risk is about the same as that of being struck by lightning (http://www.torro.org.uk/site/lightning_info.php), that is, not sufficient to warrant taking any particular precaution against.
I hear ya

Shard Oct 15th 2013 10:42 am
Re: the mccann disappearance
 
According to the Crimewatch reconstruction, the key suspect has been ruled out, and now there is a new key suspect who has been identified by an efit image. Amazingly, they received 1000 calls from this televised appeal.

Nevertheless, the reconstruction did have some peculiarities. At the time of discovery, KM enters the flat and notices the kids' room door more ajar than it should be, she decides to close it without bothering to make visual confirmation of Madeleine (which presumably was her reason for being there) and the door slams shut because of the wind (open window). It is that slamming that causes her to think twice and open the door again, she then notices the forced window, and then notices her daughter missing.

The4BellsLondon Oct 15th 2013 11:07 am
Re: the mccann disappearance
 
The efit looks like the dad ....

Shard Oct 15th 2013 11:09 am
Re: the mccann disappearance
 
Originally Posted by The4BellsLondon (Post 10946008)
The efit looks like the dad ....
OMG!

But it doesn't really.

Apparently the efit guy was carrying Maddy 500 m through the town streets. That seems a bit implausible (no get away vehicle).

Oink Oct 15th 2013 12:13 pm
Re: the mccann disappearance
 
Originally Posted by The4BellsLondon (Post 10946008)
The efit looks like the dad ....
That's what I thought.


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