iaink

She didnt, our vows involved something about "not messing up her blue suede shoes" if I recall correctly... it was a while ago now. Even the buff Elvis who performed the deed is probably a fat vegas Elvis by now...

iaink

Its not emotive language, its an adjective. Have you looked up the definition of bigot? The hat seems to fit to me.

Alan2005

If somebody hates gays then, of course, they are entitled to that opinion. If they do that then I'm entitled to my opinion that they are a bigot.

It goes beyond that anyway. We are talking about a group of people who want to deprive another group of people rights that they themselves enjoy simply because they have a different sexual preference. What do you call such people? Personally I call them bigoted hypocritical ******s.

Sally Redux

I find this intriguing too. We have a good friend who is gay and catholic, the church treats him with contempt but he still sticks with it.
Yes agreed.

Almost Canadian

Not at all, someone may believe that marriage (as in a church) should only be between a man and women but that a legal union (insert whatever name you wish to call it) between any consenting adults is fine, while understanding why same sex couples wish to be able to marry. It doesn't mean they are bigoted anymore that criticizing someone of another race is necessarily racist.

Catholic priests cannot marry, does that make them bigoted hypocritical ******s?

As has been stated above, it would appear that, legally, there is no difference between a marriage and a civil partnership. Some may say that, that being the case, they should be called the same thing. Others may disagree. Are those that disagree automatically bigots?

Shard

The real religion/gay issue in Britain today is not so much the hypocritical CofE and conservative politicians but chaps like this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/ja...mophobic-video

The sooner we get rid of all this religious mumbo jumbo the better.

Sally Redux

Well they generally are.

iaink

Prohibiting somone from worshiping in your church based on race would be racist wouldnt it? Are there churches that refuse to include people based on race?


So how is precluding people based on sexuality anything but bigotted?

Besides catholic priest can get married they just have to find a new job.
One of the deacons at my wifes church was an anglican who migrated to the catholic faith. He's married, and could marry you in the catholic church should you choose. But not if you're gay of course...

Alan2005

That's not even the same thing. Catholic priests cannot get married by choice. The state does not prevent them getting married. Membership and adherence to the catholic churches rules is entirely optional.

If there is no difference legally then why a difference in name? If you can provide a reason for this that doesn't have it's root cause in homophobia or bigotry than I am willing to hear it.

Note that I don't think private organizations should be forced to perform marriage ceremonies that conflict with their beliefs, however bigoted they are. You can't use laws to stop people being bigots, but you can use laws to ensure that the state gives all citizens (no matter what religion, race, gender, sexuality) equal rights in law.

Shard

Not that I agree with it, but I think the difference is that the great-mumbo-jumbo book actually sets down the rules on same sex unions, whereas it doesn't on races. So for a member of the church, they might see it as following the higher authority rules.

iaink

Most religious texts allow enough latitude that you can interpret it to support whatever prejudices you like.

Almost Canadian

I don't know. I fail to see what relevance that has to my post.


Is having a difference of opinion with another bigotry then; simply the difference of opinion?

I am not defending religion at all. What I object to is the suggestion that anyone that has a different view is a bigot. For example, is Piers Morgan a bigot because of his views on weapons in the US?

Almost Canadian

Fantastic. There is no answer to that, is there?

Almost Canadian

I can't think of one that isn't based upon religion. I don't care what they call it. I really don't. I do get annoyed with the suggestion that anyone that has an opinion different from the "majority" is automatically a bigot. The hypocrisy with such a suggestion is, evidently, lost of those that perform the name calling, present company aside of course.

What equal rights have been lost that are not predicated on a religious ceremony?

Shard

AC, it seems like you are trying to dismiss the concept of bigotry? There is an argument that racism is not a valid concept, but I don't think the same can be said of bigotry which is a human/societal construct?