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caretaker Mar 24th 2014 11:09 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11189019)
I don't think it has, at least not in the mainstream media. Seems like it's only been the last decade or so that graphic photos or film have been regularly shown. I'm referring to the UK media primarily, although perhaps Canada is the same. I think some of the European media (Italy for example) have more of a history of showing brutal deaths etc.

No, Pulitzer winning photos depicting death have been here since Nanking and maybe before.
you don't have to trust me on that, (I certainly wouldn't) :-)

Shard Mar 24th 2014 11:14 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 11189033)
No, Pulitzer winning photos depicting death have been here since Nanking and maybe before.
you don't have to trust me on that, (I certainly wouldn't) :-)

I'm not suggesting that such photos have never been published before, I am remarking on prevalence. Perceived prevalence, even. There seems to be a bit of journo code in 70s 80s 90s whereby death images would not be shown other than in special circumstances. To me that seems to have changed.

caretaker Mar 24th 2014 12:20 pm

Re: Malaysian 777
 
The only special circumstances were when death images could not be obtained, and that wasn't very often. I cite the Pulitzer Prize because that is the ultimate example of world wide recognition, by no means a minority thing. Look up Nguyen Noc Loan, Kent State, MLK, Sharpesville, that's the downside to it; when people get hurt, t's news.

lookingtogo Mar 24th 2014 10:17 pm

Re: Malaysian 777
 
I recall a Guardian piece recently that argued that pictures of black, dead people were acceptable, and more prolific, in Western media (eg. the recent Nigerian terrorist attack) but not white people.

Shard Mar 25th 2014 6:35 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 

Originally Posted by lookingtogo (Post 11189619)
I recall a Guardian piece recently that argued that pictures of black, dead people were acceptable, and more prolific, in Western media (eg. the recent Nigerian terrorist attack) but not white people.

That would not surprise me.

Pulaski Mar 26th 2014 7:58 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 
So today's MH370 news is that a "concentration" of debris comprising less than 1 item/sq mile has been found. ..... I wonder if they realise that they're searching within the Indian Ocean garbage patch? :unsure:

Steve_ Mar 27th 2014 10:49 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 
This is why they emphasized that it was "shiny" I think.

Apparently they're pretty sure now it was the capt. that did it as his missus had dumped him and his new missus was about to.

The theory seems to be that he programmed the autopilot, then committed suicide by taking the plane up to 45,000 ft. Which would seem to indicate he got the first officer out of the cockpit somehow, "go get me a drink".

Cabbagetown Mar 27th 2014 10:57 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 

Originally Posted by Steve_ (Post 11193917)
This is why they emphasized that it was "shiny" I think.

Apparently they're pretty sure now it was the capt. that did it as his missus had dumped him and his new missus was about to.

The theory seems to be that he programmed the autopilot, then committed suicide by taking the plane up to 45,000 ft. Which would seem to indicate he got the first officer out of the cockpit somehow, "go get me a drink".

I think that there are too many theories and too few strong facts to say anything.

Hijacking by a passenger I would find difficult to believe, because it's most likely impossible to bring a gun on board to overpower the pilot and the crew.

if they never found the plane, and the debris in the water turns out to be not from a plane, than I would guess, it was most likely theft, either plane, spare parts or cargo.

and then there is always the possibility of a mechanical error, and the crew/passengers suffocating and flying onwards over the ocean until they run out of fuel

I would rule out suicide, because in the case of suicide there is always a letter

I would also rule out terrorism, because no terrorist group has claimed any responsibility

Shard Mar 27th 2014 12:13 pm

Re: Malaysian 777
 

Originally Posted by Cabbagetown (Post 11193926)
I think that there are too many theories and too few strong facts to say anything.

Hijacking by a passenger I would find difficult to believe, because it's most likely impossible to bring a gun on board to overpower the pilot and the crew.

if they never found the plane, and the debris in the water turns out to be not from a plane, than I would guess, it was most likely theft, either plane, spare parts or cargo.

and then there is always the possibility of a mechanical error, and the crew/passengers suffocating and flying onwards over the ocean until they run out of fuel

I would rule out suicide, because in the case of suicide there is always a letter

I would also rule out terrorism, because no terrorist group has claimed any responsibility

Not always. Suicide is currently regarded as the likely explanation.

Pulaski Mar 27th 2014 12:49 pm

Re: Malaysian 777
 

Originally Posted by Cabbagetown (Post 11193926)
..... Hijacking by a passenger I would find difficult to believe, because it's most likely impossible to bring a gun on board to overpower the pilot and the crew....

Er, 9/11 was accomplished without the use of guns! :rolleyes:


.... if they never found the plane, and the debris in the water turns out to be not from a plane, than I would guess, it was most likely theft, either plane, spare parts ......
With the number of 777's measured in hundreds, and the number of owners measured in dozens, thete is virtually no chance that you could find a customer for any detachable parts. Ransom would be the only likely way to turn the aircraft into cash, and while theoretically it could have reached Somalia, there is now adequate evidence that it did not head in that direction. If it had arrived there, a ransom demand would certainly have soon be made, and like the terrorist attack theory, no demand/ claim has been made, so that idea is now a non starter.

.... I would rule out suicide, because in the case of suicide there is always a letter.
You're joking, right? :blink:

caretaker Mar 27th 2014 12:53 pm

Re: Malaysian 777
 
In the absence of facts, nobody has any idea what happened and any suppositions put forth to date are groundless.

Pulaski Mar 27th 2014 1:06 pm

Re: Malaysian 777
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 11194032)
In the absence of facts, nobody has any idea what happened and any suppositions put forth to date are groundless.

Well I, and experts more worthy than I, are now convinced that MH370 was last traced on one of two arcs over Asia or the Indian Ocean. The countries in Asia, despite checking their radars in a fairly high-tension area over India, China, Burma, Thailand, Nepal, and several " 'Stans", in central Asia, have found no trace of an unidentified passenger jet in their airspace. This was independently corroborated by Doppler analysis of the "pings" received by the Inmarsat satellite, which proved it headed south from the point where Malaysian military radar last located it. Ergo, it was last tracked over the Indian Ocean with no chance for a safe landing, or even an on-land crash. It is somewhere "down there", though I suspect it may be years, perhaps many years, before it is found.

caretaker Mar 27th 2014 1:09 pm

Re: Malaysian 777
 
The next few weather 'windows' searchers have as winter closes in down there will probably be the last chances they get to find pieces. This search has to be the biggest ever, doesn't it?

Pulaski Mar 27th 2014 1:17 pm

Re: Malaysian 777
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 11194042)
..... This search has to be the biggest ever, doesn't it?

In some sense already, yes, with so many countries involved. Whether it surpasses the search for AF447 remains to be seen, but if they don't find it soon I believe they (everyone with deep sea search capability) will use it as a test and training exercise for years to come, until it is found.

If you're interested go and Google <Indian Ocean garbage patch> and read the Wikipedia article. It will explain why the searchers are finding so many "items" and why it is likely that NONE of them have ANY connection to MH370!

bats Mar 27th 2014 1:25 pm

Re: Malaysian 777
 
:frown:

Originally Posted by Cabbagetown (Post 11193926)

I would rule out suicide, because in the case of suicide there is always a letter

Oh no there isn't


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