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Shard Mar 16th 2014 11:25 pm

Re: Malaysian 777
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 11176466)
Diamonds are generally much smaller and easier to hide and transport than airliner parts and stolen diamonds can be re-cut and sold to customers for a variety of applications. Boeing 777 parts not so much. Land is worth money as well and there the similarity ends. Without knowledge of what was happening in the cockpit (video would be good) no-one can say for certain who turned what off or who (if anyone) flew the aircraft or if it just coasted un-manned until it hit the ocean. Without having the airplane and combing it for evidence hijacking is still a possible cause, but no more so than any other guess.
In the absence of facts the press puts out conjecture, not just in this but every news story.

Oh FFS can't someone use an analogy without it being taken literally. The point is that parts on a 777 are worth millions, and therefore valuable to criminal gang who sell them on the black market without having to pay for them. There must be cash-poor countries or regimes willing to pay for illegal airplane parts. We're not talking the airframe itself, but the engines, the electronics and other parts that might be concealed in a dusty warehouse somewhere.

I'm not saying this is what has happened, but it is one of the possibilities given that the aircraft has gone missing in an unusual manner.

caretaker Mar 16th 2014 11:50 pm

Re: Malaysian 777
 
Shard if you had something to do with this now is the time to come clean.

Shard Mar 16th 2014 11:52 pm

Re: Malaysian 777
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 11176517)
Shard if you had something to do with this now is the time to come clean.

:blink::sneaky::blink:

P.S. Let me know if you need any Boeing avionics (cash only).

Pulaski Mar 17th 2014 2:54 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 11175776)
They're all at the bottom of the sea otherwise somebody would of used their phone.

40 miles (or probably a lot less) off-shore and there'd be no cell tower in range. That said, like you, I am now fairly certain that MH370 is at the bottom of the Indian Ocean.

Steve_ Mar 17th 2014 5:33 am

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Well with the ACAR ping they can estimate speed and direction of travel, so say at 900kph from the last ping that narrows it down to a 900km corridor, assuming the plane didn't turn after the last ping.

The only way of properly searching that area would be with an aircraft carrier, imo. It's too remote from anywhere. Depending on how far south he got there is a chance no wreckage would ever wash up on a beach either, and be noticed at least as it would wash up in the Antarctic. Might wash up on the west coast of Australia or Indonesia, but that's a vast coastal area.

I think the captain was trying to commit suicide and came up with a crazy scheme so his wife would get the life insurance. He left too many clues though, didn't completely turn off ACAR, didn't evade the radar and turned off ACAR before he made the last transmission (and I bet right now they're comparing the voice modulation with his youtube videos).

And yes he could have lowered the cabin pressure and knocked them all out, although he was only at 5,000 feet apparently crossing Malaysia so they must have all been conscious at that point. Maybe that was his story to the first officer after he went to the toilet, oh sorry the door is locked and I can't open it, I'll turn back. So he turned back and descended, the first officer wasn't suspicious, he flew over Malaysia, went back to cruising altitude and lowered the cabin pressure. :unsure:

Greenhill Mar 17th 2014 6:08 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 
Apparently the plane climbed to 45,000 feet, 2000' higher than the ceiling certified for 777s, shortly after it was diverted.

Why would the pilot do this? To see how high the plane would go? Did he think, in his moment of madness, he could escape the clutches of gravity? Or was it an attempt to incapacitate the crew and passengers, to prevent anyone meddling with his plan?

SchnookoLoly Mar 17th 2014 6:14 am

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There's so much random stuff going on with this flight. I find it fascinating in a slightly morbid kind of way... and unfortunately I don't have a lot of confidence in them actually finding the plane. :(

Steve_ Mar 17th 2014 6:24 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 

Originally Posted by Greenhill (Post 11177193)
Why would the pilot do this? To see how high the plane would go? Did he think, in his moment of madness, he could escape the clutches of gravity? Or was it an attempt to incapacitate the crew and passengers, to prevent anyone meddling with his plan?

Mmm, to deceive the first officer. Climb to a higher altitude, tell him you're turning back, the first officer knows how long the decent should take. But at the end of the decent he's still at 5,000 feet. Climbs sharply after they're over Malaysia, by the time the first officer figures out what's going on they're high enough for him to lower the cabin pressure. It's at night so looking out the window wouldn't have helped the first officer much.

Seems like an awful lot of trouble to fiddle the life insurance.

Cabbagetown Mar 17th 2014 6:41 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 

Originally Posted by Greenhill (Post 11177193)
Apparently the plane climbed to 45,000 feet, 2000' higher than the ceiling certified for 777s, shortly after it was diverted.

Why would the pilot do this? To see how high the plane would go? Did he think, in his moment of madness, he could escape the clutches of gravity? Or was it an attempt to incapacitate the crew and passengers, to prevent anyone meddling with his plan?

I guess it's safe to assume that whoever was doing this, knew exactly what he was doing and did everything for a reason. Could he have depressurized the plane to kill the passengers? for lack of oxygen? and no oxygen masks available, or disabled to come down automatically?

Regarding the flight route and the endless speculation, I am also guessing that the 777 flew very closely "in the shadow" of another plane flying eastwards and thus made it across India undetected . I believe there was another 777 which was heading for Barcelona that night?

Another guess is that one of the government organizations is covering up something. To me it's beyond understanding that no military radar picked up anything. In the end it's their job to protect the airspace.

MarkG Mar 17th 2014 7:18 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 

Originally Posted by Cabbagetown (Post 11177251)
To me it's beyond understanding that no military radar picked up anything. In the end it's their job to protect the airspace.

But it was a weekend.

Steve_ Mar 17th 2014 7:24 am

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But there's no military in the southern Indian Ocean except Diego Garcia. There's pretty much nothing down there. I don't know what the radar coverage is of Diego Garcia but it's a big ocean. There's nothing to protect against.

You don't have to depressurize the cabin, you just have to reduce the pressurization and it gets very hard to think. Oxygen masks on airliners only last a few minutes.

Aviator Mar 17th 2014 8:38 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 

Originally Posted by Steve_ (Post 11177297)
But there's no military in the southern Indian Ocean except Diego Garcia. There's pretty much nothing down there. I don't know what the radar coverage is of Diego Garcia but it's a big ocean. There's nothing to protect against.

You don't have to depressurize the cabin, you just have to reduce the pressurization and it gets very hard to think. Oxygen masks on airliners only last a few minutes.

Something that as yet has not been raised is the vamoosh factor. If the aircraft pressurization system is turned on, the fuselage expands a little, so if the aircraft is depressurized the fuselage will contract. One has to be careful not to depressurize too rapidly, otherwise the fuselage contracts too rapidly and the aircraft an all its contents disappear up its own tailpipe, never to be seen again, vamoosh.

caretaker Mar 17th 2014 8:48 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 
I attributed that to the plane flying in ever decreasing circles. See, no stone left unturned.

Pulaski Mar 17th 2014 11:07 pm

Re: Malaysian 777
 
This is the best analysis I have seen so far of the sequence of events and how it could have been achieved.

jwtimmon Mar 18th 2014 3:41 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 
I like the electrical fire theory
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03...ectrical-fire/

Fits the known facts without adding all sorts of external factors, occam's razor.


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