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Lowri Turner
Lowri Turner quote today: "White Van Man chat". Discuss in relation to a 'classless' Britain...
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Re: Lowri Turner
Who? And what are we supposed to be discussing?
Maybe it's because I'm only middle class, but I'm confused. |
Re: Lowri Turner
Originally Posted by christmasoompa
(Post 10036805)
Who? And what are we supposed to be discussing?
Maybe it's because I'm only middle class, but I'm confused. It seems that no day passes in The UK where 'class' is not discussed in the Media, one way or another. Therefore it would seem that 'class' is still important to a great majority of Britains. Lowri Turner often seems to portray herself in the Media as the poster girl for the middle-to-upper Middle Class (if it exists). Discuss if you wish. FROTSUK |
Re: Lowri Turner
Originally Posted by FirstRatofftheShipUK
(Post 10036830)
A recent poster asked if people in The UK still define themselves and others using 'class' as a determiner.
Originally Posted by FirstRatofftheShipUK
(Post 10036830)
It seems that no day passes in The UK where 'class' is not discussed in the Media, one way or another. Therefore it would seem that 'class' is still important to a great majority of Britains.
As an example, my father, who would have been very much a 'Person B' in your analogy i.e. had a working class father who couldn't afford to pay for education, attended Rugby school. One of the highest regarded and most expensive private schools in the country, and he got in with a scholarship so his background and lack of family money made bugger all difference.
Originally Posted by FirstRatofftheShipUK
(Post 10036830)
Lowri Turner often seems to portray herself in the Media as the poster girl for the middle-to-upper Middle Class (if it exists).
Discuss if you wish. :) |
Re: Lowri Turner
Originally Posted by christmasoompa
(Post 10036841)
Yes, I've read that thread.
I would disagree with that, but then I didn't agree with your 'Person A v Person B' analogies in the thread either. As an example, my father, who would have been very much a 'Person B' in your analogy i.e. had a working class father who couldn't afford to pay for education, attended Rugby school. One of the highest regarded and most expensive private schools in the country, and he got in with a scholarship so his background and lack of family money made bugger all difference. If I knew who on earth she was I would do. Never heard of her before though. :) |
Re: Lowri Turner
Originally Posted by christmasoompa
(Post 10036841)
If I knew who on earth she was I would do. Never heard of her before though.
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Re: Lowri Turner
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 10036976)
I thought Lowri Turner was going to be one of those firms of dodgy immigration lawyers.
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Re: Lowri Turner
Originally Posted by FirstRatofftheShipUK
(Post 10036830)
A recent poster asked if people in The UK still define themselves and others using 'class' as a determiner.
It seems that no day passes in The UK where 'class' is not discussed in the Media, one way or another. Therefore it would seem that 'class' is still important to a great majority of Britains. Lowri Turner often seems to portray herself in the Media as the poster girl for the middle-to-upper Middle Class (if it exists). Discuss if you wish. FROTSUK Of course now although successful at what he does he regrets not going to private school or Cambridge because now he does not have the old boy network of upper class friends that could as he now puts it opened many more doors for him. Had we been American he would have gone to that top school and gone to Harvard etc without a second thought. |
Re: Lowri Turner
Originally Posted by cheeky_monkey
(Post 10037321)
Had we been American he would have gone to that top school and gone to Harvard etc without a second thought.
I'm intrigued to learn that Lowri Turner is, in fact, a homophobic hynotherapist and "nutritional therapist". I'd not let her put my carrots under. |
Re: Lowri Turner
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 10037400)
I'm intrigued to learn that Lowri Turner is, in fact, a homophobic hynotherapist and "nutritional therapist". I'd not let her put my carrots under. Sure your Veggies are safe. Fair Comment? FROTSUK |
Re: Lowri Turner
Originally Posted by FirstRatofftheShipUK
(Post 10036803)
Lowri Turner quote today: "White Van Man chat". Discuss in relation to a 'classless' Britain...
Originally Posted by FirstRatofftheShipUK
(Post 10036830)
It seems that no day passes in The UK where 'class' is not discussed in the Media, one way or another. Therefore it would seem that 'class' is still important to a great majority of Britains.
Originally Posted by cheeky_monkey
(Post 10037321)
I think class does still exist in the UK...
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Re: Lowri Turner
Originally Posted by FirstRatofftheShipUK
(Post 10037434)
No, in fact, she is a Journo with The DM
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Re: Lowri Turner
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 10037580)
Well, that's the homophobia confirmed.
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Re: Lowri Turner
Originally Posted by christmasoompa
(Post 10036805)
Who? And what are we supposed to be discussing?
Maybe it's because I'm only middle class, but I'm confused. he lost his job and now he is middle class. Everyone fits into some class or another in UK! :rofl: |
Re: Lowri Turner
So what constitutes who is in what class? Is one middle class because of private education, professional qualifications, accent, home owner, cocaine habit, social standing and the circle of friends that you have, how much money you earn, how you hold your fork, or how you tip the soup bowl when finishing off. Perhaps if you have stout shoes and a tweed suit. Maybe it is what the old man had, before he left it all to his thai bride second wife? Anyone care to explain middle class criteria. Because if a bright kid from a council estate can get to uni and graduate as a doctor, I might consider him to be middle class. How about the guy, 27, done his degree and masters, working on a Phd, wants a job, can't get one and will live in poverty for the rest of his life, but he knows all about CAMRA and real ales, his he middle class? i just don't get it.
Canada roll on! |
Re: Lowri Turner
It is much easier here.
On welfare = under class Work for a living = middle class Live off the travails of the middle class = you don't care less what class other people think you are. |
Re: Lowri Turner
Originally Posted by fletcher m
(Post 10037671)
So what constitutes who is in what class? Is one middle class because of private education, professional qualifications, accent, home owner, cocaine habit, social standing and the circle of friends that you have, how much money you earn, how you hold your fork, or how you tip the soup bowl when finishing off. Perhaps if you have stout shoes and a tweed suit. Maybe it is what the old man had, before he left it all to his thai bride second wife? Anyone care to explain middle class criteria. Because if a bright kid from a council estate can get to uni and graduate as a doctor, I might consider him to be middle class. How about the guy, 27, done his degree and masters, working on a Phd, wants a job, can't get one and will live in poverty for the rest of his life, but he knows all about CAMRA and real ales, his he middle class? i just don't get it.
Canada roll on! It's exactly the same in Canada as it is in the UK and i would wager most people don't pay any attention to it. The only people to worry about it are those who have emotional issues. |
Re: Lowri Turner
Originally Posted by JonboyE
(Post 10037703)
It is much easier here.
On welfare = under class Work for a living = middle class Live off the travails of the middle class = you don't care less what class other people think you are. |
Re: Lowri Turner
Originally Posted by fletcher m
(Post 10037729)
thank f*** for that. i take it that the last category are land/business owners, accountants, farmers, bankers and politicians.
I remember a story of the Ryder Cup years ago. The last pairing was Jack Nicklaus and Tony Jacklin. The USA held the cup so a tie was all they needed to retain it. On the last green Nicklaus' ball was less that a foot from the hole and Jacklin was left with the twitchy six footer to win the hole and tie the overall score. Nicklaus gave him the putt. When asked why he said that he didn't want to see Jacklin miss the putt and lose the Ryder Cup. Nicklaus has class. |
Re: Lowri Turner
What exactly is the point of this thread? What are we supposed to be wondering? What's this Lowri turner got to do with it?
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Re: Lowri Turner
Originally Posted by JonboyE
(Post 10037782)
Class really means something different. IME people are much less likely to judge you on what you do, where you went to school, your accent, or how much money your family has. They judge you on what you contribute and and how you consider others.
I remember a story of the Ryder Cup years ago. The last pairing was Jack Nicklaus and Tony Jacklin. The USA held the cup so a tie was all they needed to retain it. On the last green Nicklaus' ball was less that a foot from the hole and Jacklin was left with the twitchy six footer to win the hole and tie the overall score. Nicklaus gave him the putt. When asked why he said that he didn't want to see Jacklin miss the putt and lose the Ryder Cup. Nicklaus has class. |
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Re: Lowri Turner
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=el_richo;10037711]The modern view on "class" is to do with accent, skin colour, and what you can afford. QUOTE] Why contribute such twaddle! Baroness Flather, a Life Peer of Asian descent, House of Lords, and her children in title, would no doubt take issue with your thinking here. I was hoping for a sensible debate (again, I know, on BE!) 'Class' and colour bare no relation...not even those personal circumstances as apparently reported for Oink. :sneaky: FROTSUK |
Re: Lowri Turner
[QUOTE=FirstRatofftheShipUK;10038074]
Originally Posted by el_richo
(Post 10037711)
The modern view on "class" is to do with accent, skin colour, and what you can afford.
QUOTE] Why contribute such twaddle! Baroness Flather, a Life Peer of Asian descent, House of Lords, and her children in title, would no doubt take issue with your thinking here. I was hoping for a sensible debate (again, I know, on BE!) 'Class' and colour bear no relation. FROTSUK I'm surprised at your naivety |
Re: Lowri Turner
[QUOTE=el_richo;10038140]
Originally Posted by FirstRatofftheShipUK
(Post 10038074)
You're a ****ing joke and so is this thread :thumbdown: I'm surprised at your naivety |
Re: Lowri Turner
I'm glad this thread is hotting up. I expected it to be a dry lament on the failings of English painters at spelling.
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Re: Lowri Turner
Pedantic & Redundant
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Re: Lowri Turner
Originally Posted by FirstRatofftheShipUK
(Post 10038201)
Why contribute such twaddle!
Baroness Flather, a Life Peer of Asian descent, House of Lords, and her children in title, would no doubt take issue with your thinking here. I was hoping for a sensible debate (again, I know, on BE!) 'Class' and colour bear no relation...not even those personal circumstances as apparently reported for Oink. :sneaky: FROTSUK |
Re: Lowri Turner
Originally Posted by JonboyE
(Post 10037703)
It is much easier here.
On welfare = under class Work for a living = middle class Live off the travails of the middle class = you don't care less what class other people think you are. |
Re: Lowri Turner
Originally Posted by fletcher m
(Post 10037671)
How about the guy, 27, done his degree and masters, working on a Phd, wants a job, can't get one and will live in poverty for the rest of his life, but he knows all about CAMRA and real ales, his he middle class? i just don't get it.
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Re: Lowri Turner
Originally Posted by fletcher m
(Post 10037671)
So what constitutes who is in what class? Is one middle class because of private education, professional qualifications, accent, home owner, cocaine habit, social standing and the circle of friends that you have, how much money you earn, how you hold your fork, or how you tip the soup bowl when finishing off. Perhaps if you have stout shoes and a tweed suit. Maybe it is what the old man had, before he left it all to his thai bride second wife? Anyone care to explain middle class criteria. Because if a bright kid from a council estate can get to uni and graduate as a doctor, I might consider him to be middle class. How about the guy, 27, done his degree and masters, working on a Phd, wants a job, can't get one and will live in poverty for the rest of his life, but he knows all about CAMRA and real ales, his he middle class? i just don't get it.
Canada roll on! 1. Higher managerial, administrative and professional occupations 1.1 Large employers and higher managerial and administrative occupations 1.2 Higher professional occupations 2. Lower managerial, administrative and professional occupations 3. Intermediate occupations 4. Small employers and own account workers 5. Lower supervisory and technical occupations 6. Semi-routine occupations 7. Routine occupations |
Re: Lowri Turner
Originally Posted by Oink
(Post 10038298)
The National Statistics Socio-economic Classification
1. Higher managerial, administrative and professional occupations 1.1 Large employers and higher managerial and administrative occupations 1.2 Higher professional occupations 2. Lower managerial, administrative and professional occupations 3. Intermediate occupations 4. Small employers and own account workers 5. Lower supervisory and technical occupations 6. Semi-routine occupations 7. Routine occupations Upper class - pays my salary Middle class - spends my salary Working class - receives salary from me |
Re: Lowri Turner - Titantic 2012
Originally Posted by Jingsamichty
(Post 10037813)
What exactly is the point of this thread? What are we supposed to be wondering? What's this Lowri turner got to do with it?
Ok. A less abstract scenario then for Jings & Co to consider as requested: Titantic 2012. Maiden voyage to Canada. You run the ship for this historical re-make and have 9x tickets of equal value and price. 3 x each ticket, for each of the original 3 x 'class' compartments from 1912: 1) 1st 2) 2nd 3) 3rd/Steerage It is your job to place 9 x people living in The UK (as known to the public) into those compartments. The participants have all agreed that there is no monetary difference between the tickets and have agreed that you have use your absolute discretion when determining their 'class'. Who goes where, justifying each choice. FROTSUK |
Re: Lowri Turner - Titantic 2012
Originally Posted by FirstRatofftheShipUK
(Post 10039013)
Re: Lowri Turner - Titantic 2012
Ok. A less abstract scenario then for Jings & Co to consider as requested: Titantic 2012. Maiden voyage to Canada. You run the ship for this historical re-make and have 9x tickets of equal value and price. 3 x each ticket, for each of the original 3 x 'class' compartments from 1912: 1) 1st 2) 2nd 3) 3rd/Steerage It is your job to place 9 x people living in The UK (as known to the public) into those compartments. The participants have all agreed that there is no monetary difference between the tickets and have agreed that you have use your absolute discretion when determining their 'class'. Who goes where, justifying each choice. FROTSUK If the participants in this silly scenario agree that there is no difference in price between a first class cabin and a steerage bunk, then I'd stick them all in steerage and advise them to wisen up PDQ. |
Re: Lowri Turner - Titantic 2012
Originally Posted by Jingsamichty
(Post 10039293)
If the participants in this silly scenario agree that there is no difference in price between a first class cabin and a steerage bunk, then I'd stick them all in steerage and advise them to wisen up PDQ.
Ok, I take responsibility for this misunderstanding; I had forgotten that there are some on BE who prefer the 'paint by numbers' approach to abstract problems. Therefore I have asked my 3 year old to assist, and, using the keypad she has helped produce the pretty picture below which should help. It is printable so after joining up the dots and dsahes, put it on the fridge: Class Dynamics in Canada /\ /\ /\ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Class Dynamics in The UK /\ | | | | | | /\ /\ | | / \ / | | / \ / | | / \/ -------------------------- | | | | | | | \/ -------------------------------------- | <----------------------------------------------------------------> |
Re: Lowri Turner - Titantic 2012
Originally Posted by FirstRatofftheShipUK
(Post 10041035)
Blending two related threads here.
Ok, I take responsibility for this misunderstanding; I had forgotten that there are some on BE who prefer the 'paint by numbers' approach to abstract problems. Therefore I have asked my 3 year old to assist, and, using the keypad she has helped produce the pretty picture below which should help. It is printable so after joining up the dots and dsahes, put it on the fridge: Class Dynamics in Canada /\ /\ /\ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Class Dynamics in The UK /\ | | | | | | /\ /\ | | / \ / | | / \ / | | / \/ -------------------------- | | | | | | | \/ -------------------------------------- | <----------------------------------------------------------------> Well, that was random. |
Re: Lowri Turner - Titantic 2012
Originally Posted by Jingsamichty
(Post 10041243)
Well, that was random.
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Re: Lowri Turner
easy
name on building = upper class name on office door = middle class name on uniform = working class |
Re: Lowri Turner
I think the idea (of the diagram) is to show that, in Canada, everyone is equally upwardly mobile whereas, in the UK, some put their left leg in, some put their left leg out, some do the oaky cokey and turn about.
The trouble is that a rising tide raising all ships equally doesn't mean too much, the Titanic's still stuck at the bottom with the pyjama clad smokers outside the mall. KnowwotImean? |
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