Linked-In "lady"
Sep 10th 2015 | 4:53 am
#61
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Re: Linked-In "lady"
From what I have been able to understand: he is a senior solicitor (solicitors are employed by firms, unless they are partners) and she is a barrister (barristers are all self employed and work in sets of chambers). I appreciate that some barristers work in "in-house" positions.
When I left England, it was not possible for clients to instruct barristers directly, they had to be referred to the barrister by a solicitor. There was talk of changing that and I have no idea if it has been changed.
She contacted him. I assume, to increase her chances of obtaining referrals.
I have no idea why she thought that her public shaming of him would not affect her future work.
When I left England, it was not possible for clients to instruct barristers directly, they had to be referred to the barrister by a solicitor. There was talk of changing that and I have no idea if it has been changed.
She contacted him. I assume, to increase her chances of obtaining referrals.
I have no idea why she thought that her public shaming of him would not affect her future work.
Sep 10th 2015 | 5:03 am
#63
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Sep 10th 2015 | 5:41 am
#64
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Re: Linked-In "lady"
Nobody has suggested that complimenting somebody is wrong. Several people have suggested that for a senior lawyer to compliment a junior lawyer, for her appearance in a photograph, in a response to a networking request on LinkedIn, is wrong. There's a context here, as there is everywhere, and which a senior lawyer certainly ought to have appreciated.
I recall PCF in the eye through the 90s. I also saw George Carmen speak at a charity ball in the 90s about the Ken Dodd trial and he was brilliant.
Sep 10th 2015 | 9:54 am
#65
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Re: Linked-In "lady"
Nobody has suggested that complimenting somebody is wrong. Several people have suggested that for a senior lawyer to compliment a junior lawyer, for her appearance in a photograph, in a response to a networking request on LinkedIn, is wrong. There's a context here, as there is everywhere, and which a senior lawyer certainly ought to have appreciated.
I also suggest that her response was probably coloured by the kind of work she does, where it is a part of her job to look for (and make the most of) slights, insults, discrimination or abuse of position, whether intentional or otherwise. It might have been wiser, in hindsight, either to message the guy directly through LinkedIn, report his post through the existing LinkedIn process for that, or to take the compliment and move on. Posting it on Twitter, naming and shaming in public, was not very professional, and loses her some of her moral high ground.
Mind you, it probably won't do her career any long-term damage: IANAL but I can imagine a practice area such as rights litigation would be boosted by the notoriety of a practitioner. Just look at the fact that Bats mistakenly called the guy here Carter Ruck - he was the famous libel solicitor who turned that industry on its head in the 90s and was the scourge of Private Eye (where, natch, he was known as Carter ****). Having him representing you in a libel action, it was claimed, would be worth an extra zero on the damages (and not just for his notorously exorbitant fees...)
[lame attempt to bypass the sweary filter failed dismally. But it doesn't take a lot of imagination to delete the R from Ruck and insert an F instead...]
I also suggest that her response was probably coloured by the kind of work she does, where it is a part of her job to look for (and make the most of) slights, insults, discrimination or abuse of position, whether intentional or otherwise. It might have been wiser, in hindsight, either to message the guy directly through LinkedIn, report his post through the existing LinkedIn process for that, or to take the compliment and move on. Posting it on Twitter, naming and shaming in public, was not very professional, and loses her some of her moral high ground.
Mind you, it probably won't do her career any long-term damage: IANAL but I can imagine a practice area such as rights litigation would be boosted by the notoriety of a practitioner. Just look at the fact that Bats mistakenly called the guy here Carter Ruck - he was the famous libel solicitor who turned that industry on its head in the 90s and was the scourge of Private Eye (where, natch, he was known as Carter ****). Having him representing you in a libel action, it was claimed, would be worth an extra zero on the damages (and not just for his notorously exorbitant fees...)
[lame attempt to bypass the sweary filter failed dismally. But it doesn't take a lot of imagination to delete the R from Ruck and insert an F instead...]
I don't understand why so many on here don't understand that his comment was out of order. He even prefaced it with a comment on its inappropriateness which to my mind shows he knew what he was doing. Allegedly he has a history of being a tosspot and commented on a photo of his daughter saying she looked hot.
I've changed my mind about the barristers response being OTT. She's completely right.
Sep 10th 2015 | 4:17 pm
#66
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Re: Linked-In "lady"
Dang, Carter Silk. See what happens when you speed read?
I don't understand why so many on here don't understand that his comment was out of order. He even prefaced it with a comment on its inappropriateness which to my mind shows he knew what he was doing. Allegedly he has a history of being a tosspot and commented on a photo of his daughter saying she looked hot.
I've changed my mind about the barristers response being OTT. She's completely right.
I don't understand why so many on here don't understand that his comment was out of order. He even prefaced it with a comment on its inappropriateness which to my mind shows he knew what he was doing. Allegedly he has a history of being a tosspot and commented on a photo of his daughter saying she looked hot.
I've changed my mind about the barristers response being OTT. She's completely right.
Sep 10th 2015 | 6:02 pm
#67
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Re: Linked-In "lady"
la lutte continue!
Sep 11th 2015 | 2:03 am
#68
limey party pooper
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Re: Linked-In "lady"
Similar age might have made it less creepy but it's still wrong time wrong place. It's crossing barriers using a social comment in a professional environment.
Sep 11th 2015 | 2:17 am
#69
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Re: Linked-In "lady"
Interesting take on this that I was pointed to this morning.
tl;dr version: to call this out as sexist or misogynist is to diminish real sexism or misogyny. Carter-Silk's comment may have been inapproriate, but it was not sexist. Some of the backlash against Charlotte Proudman is truly sexist and misogynistic, and should be a much greater concern.
“The LinkedIn barrister wasn't a victim of misogyny - she's belittling the feminist cause†| Stylist Magazine
tl;dr version: to call this out as sexist or misogynist is to diminish real sexism or misogyny. Carter-Silk's comment may have been inapproriate, but it was not sexist. Some of the backlash against Charlotte Proudman is truly sexist and misogynistic, and should be a much greater concern.
“The LinkedIn barrister wasn't a victim of misogyny - she's belittling the feminist cause†| Stylist Magazine
Sep 11th 2015 | 3:38 am
#71
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Re: Linked-In "lady"
Hell yeah it is.
You can post all of your achievements and qualifications on it be they genuine or ever so slightly embellished. People get to look at your profile with or without a picture and make comments and if lucky enough get job offers.
Its a professional type of Facebook without all the juvenile comments though Im not sure if there is a likes function on LinkedIn.
You can post all of your achievements and qualifications on it be they genuine or ever so slightly embellished. People get to look at your profile with or without a picture and make comments and if lucky enough get job offers.
Its a professional type of Facebook without all the juvenile comments though Im not sure if there is a likes function on LinkedIn.
Sep 11th 2015 | 3:48 am
#72
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Re: Linked-In "lady"
Hell yeah it is.
You can post all of your achievements and qualifications on it be they genuine or ever so slightly embellished. People get to look at your profile with or without a picture and make comments and if lucky enough get job offers.
Its a professional type of Facebook without all the juvenile comments though Im not sure if there is a likes function on LinkedIn.
You can post all of your achievements and qualifications on it be they genuine or ever so slightly embellished. People get to look at your profile with or without a picture and make comments and if lucky enough get job offers.
Its a professional type of Facebook without all the juvenile comments though Im not sure if there is a likes function on LinkedIn.
Sep 11th 2015 | 4:02 am
#73
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Re: Linked-In "lady"
I understand that it's aimed at "professionals" (lol), but it's still a social network used for free. Calling it a professional environment is like saying that yahoo messenger counts as a financial trading system because oil traders used to do deals on it (I'm not kidding - they really did)
Wiki describes it as follows
LinkedIn /ˌlɪŋkt.ˈɪn/ is a business-oriented social networking service. It was founded in December 2002 and launched on May 5, 2003,[2] it is mainly used for professional networking. In 2006, LinkedIn increased to 20 million members.[8] As of March 2015, LinkedIn reports more than 364 million acquired users in more than 200 countries and territories
I describe it as follows
A website for people who think they are important chatting with other people who also think they are important. A lot of them are pretentious twats who have their heads stuck up their own arse with how important they are. Look at me look at me and se how good I am. If I also think you are as important as me I will send you a I would like to kiss your ass message and can we connect.
Sep 11th 2015 | 4:17 am
#74
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Re: Linked-In "lady"
You can describe it how you like. It's still not really any different to facebook other than the demographic using it.
Sep 11th 2015 | 5:54 am
#75
limey party pooper
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Re: Linked-In "lady"
Interesting take on this that I was pointed to this morning.
tl;dr version: to call this out as sexist or misogynist is to diminish real sexism or misogyny. Carter-Silk's comment may have been inapproriate, but it was not sexist. Some of the backlash against Charlotte Proudman is truly sexist and misogynistic, and should be a much greater concern.
“The LinkedIn barrister wasn't a victim of misogyny - she's belittling the feminist cause†| Stylist Magazine
tl;dr version: to call this out as sexist or misogynist is to diminish real sexism or misogyny. Carter-Silk's comment may have been inapproriate, but it was not sexist. Some of the backlash against Charlotte Proudman is truly sexist and misogynistic, and should be a much greater concern.
“The LinkedIn barrister wasn't a victim of misogyny - she's belittling the feminist cause†| Stylist Magazine
