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CanadaJimmy Mar 23rd 2022 5:51 am

Re: Liberal NDP coalition
 

Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 13103110)
They were exactly my first thoughts Trudeau is so desperate to hang on to what power he has for now, and NDP know they never will, so it just comes as across as a "nothing to lose" move by Trudeau, and indeed by ol' Jagmeet.

I think this is true. It is quite evidently self serving despite the claims they are promoting "stability". I'm just hoping some good comes out of it.

Partially discharged Mar 23rd 2022 7:17 am

Re: Liberal NDP coalition
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 13103120)
I don't see that as the problem with it. I think governments need a robust opposition to keep them honest. If the NDP is rolled into the government, there's no one to keep the Liberals in check. Countries need, at least, two credible political parties.

Well don't we have the Rhino party and and in a recent provincial election we had a "None of the above' party candidate in our riding so I think that covers it. I put career politicians near the bottom of the credibility scrap heap.

Partially discharged Mar 23rd 2022 7:21 am

Re: Liberal NDP coalition
 

Originally Posted by Tumbling_Dice (Post 13103155)
I have no problem with the idea of pharamacare etc. I just don't believe, on the evidence so far, that Trudeau has the capabilities to deliver it. He is more interested in making big announcements, or offering his "wisdom' on a given situation, but executing on it?

Justin is so underwhelming.. All the right platitudes, making the grand gestures but not the kind of guy you imagine rolling up his sleeves and making sure the plans get implemented. I predicted in my family he would be a lot of hot air with little substance and I think I've been correct so far. I don't think he has a huge base, just a lot of people who vote liberal rather than PC or NDP and he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would attract people over from other parties due to his deep views and analysis.

His the 'budget will take care of itself' pronouncement was rather telling.

CanadaJimmy Mar 23rd 2022 8:01 am

Re: Liberal NDP coalition
 

Originally Posted by Partially discharged (Post 13103252)
His the 'budget will take care of itself' pronouncement was rather telling.

To be fair what he meant was if you stimulate the economy and growth with investment like more infrastructure then the tax base grows and a deficit budget becomes worthwhile in the long run.

That being said the rollout of infrastructure over the past 7 years has been very slow going, and this is not all his fault with provinces and municipalities dragging their heels. I agree that he could have taken a more active roll and making sure projects got pushed through and approved instead of his more laissez-faire approach.

Also after seeing just how much debt he has sunk the country into, perhaps there are limits to that philosophy. On the other hand if he hadn't done that, thousands of companies would have gone bankrupt during the pandemic from the government restrictions (such as what happened in the US).

But you're right a lot of people do just vote ABC (anything but conservative), which encourages complacency.

Partially discharged Mar 23rd 2022 10:42 am

Re: Liberal NDP coalition
 

Originally Posted by CanadaJimmy (Post 13103258)
To be fair what he meant was if you stimulate the economy and growth with investment like more infrastructure then the tax base grows and a deficit budget becomes worthwhile in the long run.

That being said the rollout of infrastructure over the past 7 years has been very slow going, and this is not all his fault with provinces and municipalities dragging their heels. I agree that he could have taken a more active roll and making sure projects got pushed through and approved instead of his more laissez-faire approach.

Also after seeing just how much debt he has sunk the country into, perhaps there are limits to that philosophy. On the other hand if he hadn't done that, thousands of companies would have gone bankrupt during the pandemic from the government restrictions (such as what happened in the US).

But you're right a lot of people do just vote ABC (anything but conservative), which encourages complacency.

It was his simplistic answers that got me riled up. Not sure how much cost benefit analysis is done into the benefit of the infrastructure spending programs on a case by case basis is done or if it is spent in marginal ridings they are trying to hold on to. Of course none of the other parties would do that if they were in power. It is so easy to get cynical about politics.

Mordko Mar 23rd 2022 11:30 am

Re: Liberal NDP coalition
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 13103218)
Resources limited by government underfunding? what a thought.

Never happens. That’s why British teeth are SO much better than Canadian. Brits are famous for perfect teeth. We need to reproduce their model.

bats Mar 23rd 2022 12:38 pm

Re: Liberal NDP coalition
 

Originally Posted by Mordko (Post 13103291)
Never happens. That’s why British teeth are SO much better than Canadian. Brits are famous for perfect teeth. We need to reproduce their model.

I'd never seen such awful teeth as I have here in Canada. Teeth worn down to the stumps, in a young person too, missing teeth, broken teeth. Many more people with dentures. I've a good idea on how many as when I was working when we x ray the neck and skull we have to ask people to remove false teeth, many more people do here, and at a young age.
British teeth might be more crooked and an unbleached yellow but they aren't any worse than Canadian.
Poor people here have little or no access to dental care. Children can sometimes get free care from the health unit, I know that ours has a mobile van that goes around the remote areas.
So put that trope to rest. Luminous white and straight teeth among the comfortably off does not equate to healthy teeth

Mordko Mar 23rd 2022 1:41 pm

Re: Liberal NDP coalition
 
Must be the other Canada. And the other Britain.

bats Mar 23rd 2022 2:07 pm

Re: Liberal NDP coalition
 

Originally Posted by Mordko (Post 13103304)
Must be the other Canada. And the other Britain.

There is nothing untrue in what I've written.

Paul_Shepherd Mar 23rd 2022 10:52 pm

Re: Liberal NDP coalition
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 13103301)
I'd never seen such awful teeth as I have here in Canada. Teeth worn down to the stumps, in a young person too, missing teeth, broken teeth. Many more people with dentures. I've a good idea on how many as when I was working when we x ray the neck and skull we have to ask people to remove false teeth, many more people do here, and at a young age.
British teeth might be more crooked and an unbleached yellow but they aren't any worse than Canadian.
Poor people here have little or no access to dental care. Children can sometimes get free care from the health unit, I know that ours has a mobile van that goes around the remote areas.
So put that trope to rest. Luminous white and straight teeth among the comfortably off does not equate to healthy teeth

Funny until I came to Canada, I had never heard the ongoing north American joke about Brits having messed up teeth, it took me a while to catch on. I think its the luminous white teeth effect... no one does that in the UK. North America does seem obsessed with the luminous white teeth thing though!

dbd33 Mar 23rd 2022 11:04 pm

Re: Liberal NDP coalition
 

Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 13103356)
North America does seem obsessed with the luminous white teeth thing though!


It's a status symbol because so few people can afford dental care. The idea of everyone having dental care frightens conservatives as it goes against their mantra "it's not enough to win, others must suffer".

Mordko Mar 24th 2022 1:30 am

Re: Liberal NDP coalition
 
Its cruel to talk about teeth in the presence of a Brit. Can’t believe a Canadian would do it. They are too nice.

dbd33 Mar 24th 2022 1:40 am

Re: Liberal NDP coalition
 

Originally Posted by Mordko (Post 13103391)
Its cruel to talk about teeth in the presence of a Brit. Can’t believe a Canadian would do it. They are too nice.

I have pumped a great deal of money into having childrens' teeth straightened and formatted at various dentists. The continuing claim was that they would end up with "American Teeth". I took that then to mean aspirational teeth, like the those of the Osmond family, but now I realize the dentists were differentiating; good teeth like Americans, not teeth like Canadians.




BristolUK Mar 24th 2022 4:30 am

Re: Liberal NDP coalition
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 13103196)
I fail to see the upside for the NDP. If all goes well, the Liberals will get the credit and, if it doesn't they will be associated with the Liberals.

As I said earlier, without anyone holding positions of power (like the LibDems had in the UK) it's hard to see how the NDP could be tainted.

As for the Liberals taking all the credit and not the NDP, I wonder if perhaps they might simply be happy that people have gained something from it and improving people's lives rather than political posturing might be a suitable aim.

Okay, you can stop laughing now. :lol:

Almost Canadian Mar 24th 2022 5:57 am

Re: Liberal NDP coalition
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 13103449)
As I said earlier, without anyone holding positions of power (like the LibDems had in the UK) it's hard to see how the NDP could be tainted.

As for the Liberals taking all the credit and not the NDP, I wonder if perhaps they might simply be happy that people have gained something from it and improving people's lives rather than political posturing might be a suitable aim.

Okay, you can stop laughing now. :lol:

That is what politics is supposed to be about, isn't it? You support policies you agree with and oppose policies you don't. Rejecting them simply because another party proposed them is, IMVHO, stupid.

Good ideas should be supported and bad ideas shouldn't.

What the NDP appear to be saying is simply that, isn't it?


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