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Old May 4th 2010 | 11:27 am
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I rather liked this, albeit something of a rant.

"As a young man David Cameron 'looked at Margaret Thatcher’s government and thought, these are my people'"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-david-cameron
 
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i hate them too, but then I hate posh people.
 
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Originally Posted by lmartin999
I rather liked this, albeit something of a rant.

"As a young man David Cameron 'looked at Margaret Thatcher’s government and thought, these are my people'"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-david-cameron
That's a quality rant - a rant I can empathize with a little bit.
 
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
That's a quality rant - a rant I can empathize with a little bit.
I felt a bit like that. All very 'Last days of the miners strike'.
 
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
That's a quality rant - a rant I can empathize with a little bit.
Really? I thought it way too tempered and civil. He should have used phrases like posh scum, and evil conniving right-wing hate mongering git pigs. Overall, a poor attempt my Mr. Younge.
 
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And that personifies the "class system" in the UK. It is not the rich looking down on the poor, but the poor looking up at the rich.

It bores the living socks off me. What, for example, would the Tory haters have done about the miners' strike? And are these the same people that complain incessantly about how the unions operate indefensible policies in Canada?
 
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Really? I thought it way too tempered and civil. He should have used phrases like posh scum, and evil conniving right-wing hate mongering git pigs. Overall, a poor attempt my Mr. Younge.
Well, as much as I would like to see language like that, I'm not sure it would have gone down well at the guardian.
 
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And that personifies the "class system" in the UK. It is not the rich looking down on the poor, but the poor looking up at the rich.

It bores the living socks off me. What, for example, would the Tory haters have done about the miners' strike? And are these the same people that complain incessantly about how the unions operate indefensible policies in Canada?
Would have paid them a decent living, kept the pits open and not bashed them on the head with truncheons.
 
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What, for example, would the Tory haters have done about the miners' strike?
Negotiated a solution and not decimated communities. Just curious where you were at the time of the strike?
 
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And that personifies the "class system" in the UK. It is not the rich looking down on the poor, but the poor looking up at the rich.

It bores the living socks off me. What, for example, would the Tory haters have done about the miners' strike? And are these the same people that complain incessantly about how the unions operate indefensible policies in Canada?
The miners strike is an example of how not to handle conflict in industrial relations. Liberalizing the coal mining industry did not require the destruction of entire towns such that the bitterness is still felt 25 years later.
 
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Would have paid them a decent living, kept the pits open and not bashed them on the head with truncheons.
Better still, put the means of production in the hands of the miners. If the state didn't want to be in the coal mining business it could have set up co-operatives that operated independently in the open market. This is so obvious I don't know why it wasn't done - well apart from selling the mines off cheap to their rich buddies to make profits from.
 
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We suffered in Kent you know. It wasn't just a northern thing.
 
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Bring back Maggie Thatcher I say, best PM next to Winston, Britain ever had

Too many unionised industries were the root of their own demise, pricing themselves out of the market, pushing industry to manufacture offshore, such as we now see with China and before that Japan or to import resources, such as coal from eastern Europe. I have met many employees who complain about their 'low wages' go on strike for more, then in the next sentence complain about how expensive everything is. As an employer now myself, I have no problem with paying a fair wage for a fair days work, so long as I can sell my product for a price that makes it profitable. If I don't make a profit, there is no money for reinvestment, no business and no jobs. One day I may even get to draw a salary myself!

From what I recall a lot of the bitterness in the miners strike that remains stems from some not wanting to strike and to work. Those that were on strike saw it as their 'right to strike', which it may well have been, but those that did not want to strike were not afforded the same right 'not to strike', without being targeted and branded as scabs. Surely if one person has a right to strike another has the right to make their own mind up what they want to do, not be bullied and in fear for their lives for having another opinion.

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From what I recall a lot of the bitterness in the miners strike that remains stems from some not wanting to strike and to work.
Your recall is faulty.
 
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Your recall is faulty.
So enlighten
 


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