http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19291712

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...r-suspect.html

So, what's your point?

point is that its maybe not any safer than anywhere else, probably never was i suppose

Its never terribly convincing to make a point based on one media report.

Yes shit happens here, Did anyone ever say it didnt?

Still, no burglary or vandalism on my road in ten years, but thats just as weak an argument.

you cant even go by stats as crimes are reported differently and police have different instructions regarding for example pressing charges in domestic assaults.

So all you can go with is how people perceive it to be, and even thats screwed up by years of exposure in the UK vs a short period in Canada for most of the people able to compare the two, not to mention that most people try and move to a "nicer" neighbourhood if they can when they move.

Well last night we left the car windows and sun roof fully open and car unlocked on the driveway. Still there this morning, untouched.

As iank says its a few events that are reported giving places a bad name. We did have a spate of shootings last month, but, Toronto is still in the top five places in the world to live, so should not be problem for regular normal folk.

Wasn't me guv, honest. I gotta alibi.

We had some tree damage this week. Kids, girls even, just running wild. The adults were boozing and just sat and watched this wanton destruction. Shocking.

I recently left my purse in a Tim Hortons on the way to Victoria on Van Island. I didn't discover it until we were in Victoria and 1.5 hours away from it. I called them and they already had it safely in the back. It had my American passport in it, several hundred dollars of travel money, credit cards and my iPhone. 5 hours later when I arrived it was all there.
I can't wait to get back permanently.

You're lucky. I reckon it's a 50 50 chance of getting it back, especially in a shithole like Tim Hortons.

I had 2 iPods stolen in Vancouver

Lived a lovely crime free life in the UK

Strange....
I lost 3 cel phones in Vancouver Tim Hortons. Each time a homeless person returned them to me and wouldn't even take a medium Tims coffee as reward.
UK sounds wonderful. Making me feel very homesick.

3 phones? Well that's just retarded.

I don't frequent the shitty parts so I wouldn't know how honest Tim Hortons patrons, or homeless people who drink in them, are.

I did chase one off after punching him in the face when he was vile to my wife though

What area was this, where you had to resort to violence?
I thought you didn't frequent those shitty areas?

Outside hotel Georgia. So far from chavvy Hortons

Ahh Hotel Georgia.....
Where Nelson and Eleni did the soft shoe shuffle buying and selling.

I heard on the radio that tim hortons has gone all posh and is now selling branded single cup coffee packets in supermarkets like startbucks does.