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Shard Nov 19th 2013 1:44 am

Re: How posh are you?
 
Nevertheless, UR has a point. There is no Canadian equivalent of RP and more importantly, no general mindset of judging the other person's accent for class.

Atlantic Xpat Nov 19th 2013 1:44 am

Re: How posh are you?
 
[QUOTE=bats;10998006]I think there is a posh way of speaking in Canada. /QUOTE]

Of course there is. It's with a British, RP accent.;)

bats Nov 19th 2013 1:48 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 10998037)
Nevertheless, UR has a point. There is no Canadian equivalent of RP and more importantly, no general mindset of judging the other person's accent for class.

Oh i think you are so wrong there. Not my experience at all.

Oakvillian Nov 19th 2013 1:54 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 10998037)
Nevertheless, UR has a point. There is no Canadian equivalent of RP and more importantly, no general mindset of judging the other person's accent for class.

It's interesting to me that this thread has touched on where "posh people" send their kids to school. I'd actually mostly agree with dbd, that there really aren't Canadian equivalents to Oxbridge. Maybe Queen's, maybe McGill, but posh Canadians study at, well, Oxford or Cambridge, or Harvard or Yale or Princeton.

But that raises the broader point. While there's not necessarily a "posh" accent in Canada (though I'm not sure I agree with this statement), there is definitely a set of linguistic clues to a speaker's background. Mostly, these are around choice of words, breadth of vocabulary, lack of swearing; and enunciation rather than pronunciation. Much of this is directly linked to education rather than social class per se, but of course there's an inextricable connection between the two.

dbd33 Nov 19th 2013 1:57 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 10998043)
Oh i think you are so wrong there. Not my experience at all.

I'm with bats. It's more seeking negatives in Canada, someone who speaks as well as say, me, sounds relatively posh here because I don't, like, duh, bimbo along, I can manage a sentence without a **** in it, I don't have the fractured syntax of someone new to speaking English and I don't have an accent recognisably from a region of Canada. However, placed next to a posh cradle I sound as much of a peasant as Rob Ford. In the political arena, I suggest Peter MacKay is posh (for someone raised abroad).

bats Nov 19th 2013 2:05 am

Re: How posh are you?
 
Poshness is more than an accent of course. It's education, vocabulary, grooming, manners, posture, facial expression. Many things can be learned and mimicked but it's hard to acquire the whole package. Should you want to do so.

not2old Nov 19th 2013 2:07 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 10995127)

with truthful answers (for the reason that I'm as common as muck) born & raised in an extremely rough council estate my score on the totally stupid quiz was 0%

I'll bet not many folks on BE would own up to 'not so posh' for the reason they'd all want to be the Mrs Bucket type or whatever else differentiates them from common folk.

I'm proud of my roots & would easily fit right back in after 46 years

dbd33 Nov 19th 2013 2:11 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 10998091)
I'll bet not many folks on BE would own up to 'not so posh' for the reason they'd all want to be the Mrs Bucket type or whatever else differentiates them from common folk.

Other way round, innit? People exaggerate the poverty and deprivation experienced during thier childhood. I, for example, have not disabused people of the mistaken impression that I grew up eating only the jelly from the eels.

not2old Nov 19th 2013 2:14 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 10998086)
Poshness is more than an accent of course. It's education, vocabulary, grooming, manners, posture, facial expression. Many things can be learned and mimicked but it's hard to acquire the whole package. Should you want to do so.

mimicking ...... posh is more an accent" - well I never knew that

I could fake posh now (even speaking with the North West accent) far better than I could have 40 years ago. And BTW, being Uni educated does not make a person posh in most any of the points that you made ....

not2old Nov 19th 2013 2:16 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10998099)
Other way round, innit? People exaggerate the poverty and deprivation experienced during thier childhood. I, for example, have not disabused people of the mistaken impression that I grew up eating only the jelly from the eels.


the fact that you know (had to do a google search) what was that - "jelly & eels" yoose must be posh

dbd33 Nov 19th 2013 2:20 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 10998106)
the fact that you know (had to do a google search) what was that - "jelly & eels" yoose must be posh

Wow. Someone who thinks knowing what jellied eels is is posh, was your Mum called Angela?

Oink Nov 19th 2013 2:23 am

Re: How posh are you?
 
To loosely paraphrase Louis Hartz, posh people should be pitied not envied.

Shard Nov 19th 2013 2:26 am

Re: How posh are you?
 
Clearly there are class differences in Canada, and speech variation is one identifier of differences. However the broader point is that Canadians don't generally seek to class differentiate with the same highly developed and reflexive skill that Brits do. This isn't to say none do, simply that is not prevalent.

Looking at the issue in reverse: in Britain, "poshness" tends not to be judged by house or car, despite there being a fairly standard correlation. There are exceptions to this notion (the county of Essex comes to mind - sorry Oink) but in general wealth is not measure. Same goes for accent in Canada.

Souvy Nov 19th 2013 2:32 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 10997136)

Not that one, no. The one I had in mind was two blokes, one interviewing the other.

not2old Nov 19th 2013 2:34 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10998114)
Wow. Someone who thinks knowing what jellied eels is is posh, was your Mum called Angela?

it's Mam not Mum. Only posh folks call their mother "Mum"


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