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bats Nov 19th 2013 2:05 am

Re: How posh are you?
 
Poshness is more than an accent of course. It's education, vocabulary, grooming, manners, posture, facial expression. Many things can be learned and mimicked but it's hard to acquire the whole package. Should you want to do so.

not2old Nov 19th 2013 2:07 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 10995127)

with truthful answers (for the reason that I'm as common as muck) born & raised in an extremely rough council estate my score on the totally stupid quiz was 0%

I'll bet not many folks on BE would own up to 'not so posh' for the reason they'd all want to be the Mrs Bucket type or whatever else differentiates them from common folk.

I'm proud of my roots & would easily fit right back in after 46 years

dbd33 Nov 19th 2013 2:11 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 10998091)
I'll bet not many folks on BE would own up to 'not so posh' for the reason they'd all want to be the Mrs Bucket type or whatever else differentiates them from common folk.

Other way round, innit? People exaggerate the poverty and deprivation experienced during thier childhood. I, for example, have not disabused people of the mistaken impression that I grew up eating only the jelly from the eels.

not2old Nov 19th 2013 2:14 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 10998086)
Poshness is more than an accent of course. It's education, vocabulary, grooming, manners, posture, facial expression. Many things can be learned and mimicked but it's hard to acquire the whole package. Should you want to do so.

mimicking ...... posh is more an accent" - well I never knew that

I could fake posh now (even speaking with the North West accent) far better than I could have 40 years ago. And BTW, being Uni educated does not make a person posh in most any of the points that you made ....

not2old Nov 19th 2013 2:16 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10998099)
Other way round, innit? People exaggerate the poverty and deprivation experienced during thier childhood. I, for example, have not disabused people of the mistaken impression that I grew up eating only the jelly from the eels.


the fact that you know (had to do a google search) what was that - "jelly & eels" yoose must be posh

dbd33 Nov 19th 2013 2:20 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 10998106)
the fact that you know (had to do a google search) what was that - "jelly & eels" yoose must be posh

Wow. Someone who thinks knowing what jellied eels is is posh, was your Mum called Angela?

Oink Nov 19th 2013 2:23 am

Re: How posh are you?
 
To loosely paraphrase Louis Hartz, posh people should be pitied not envied.

Shard Nov 19th 2013 2:26 am

Re: How posh are you?
 
Clearly there are class differences in Canada, and speech variation is one identifier of differences. However the broader point is that Canadians don't generally seek to class differentiate with the same highly developed and reflexive skill that Brits do. This isn't to say none do, simply that is not prevalent.

Looking at the issue in reverse: in Britain, "poshness" tends not to be judged by house or car, despite there being a fairly standard correlation. There are exceptions to this notion (the county of Essex comes to mind - sorry Oink) but in general wealth is not measure. Same goes for accent in Canada.

Souvy Nov 19th 2013 2:32 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 10997136)

Not that one, no. The one I had in mind was two blokes, one interviewing the other.

not2old Nov 19th 2013 2:34 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10998114)
Wow. Someone who thinks knowing what jellied eels is is posh, was your Mum called Angela?

it's Mam not Mum. Only posh folks call their mother "Mum"

bats Nov 19th 2013 2:36 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 10998103)
mimicking ...... posh is more an accent" - well I never knew that

I could fake posh now (even speaking with the North West accent) far better than I could have 40 years ago. And BTW, being Uni educated does not make a person posh in most any of the points that you made ....

Apart from the gibberish of the last few words...

I said education with no mention of university.

Oink Nov 19th 2013 2:37 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 10998130)
Clearly there are class differences in Canada, and speech variation is one identifier of differences. However the broader point is that Canadians don't generally seek to class differentiate with the same highly developed and reflexive skill that Brits do. This isn't to say none do, simply that is not prevalent.

Looking at the issue in reverse: in Britain, "poshness" tends not to be judged by house or car, despite there being a fairly standard correlation. There are exceptions to this notion (the county of Essex comes to mind - sorry Oink) but in general wealth is not measure. Same goes for accent in Canada.

Human's seem to have a need to stratify, its probably an extension of the family and clan. Britain has had thousands of years experience and practice of cultural classification and stratification. Those categories didn't fit neatly into the north American experience. Depending on their history they have developed their own different and sometimes unique forms division and thus discrimination.

Oink Nov 19th 2013 2:38 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 10998146)
Apart from the gibberish of the last few words...

I said education with no mention of university.

If not formal schooling, what configurations of education do you mean?

bats Nov 19th 2013 2:39 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 10998141)
it's Mam not Mum. Only posh folks call their mother "Mum"

No, they call her Mummy, or Mother, or Mama. Dads are Daddy or Papa.

Oink Nov 19th 2013 2:45 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 10998141)
it's Mam not Mum. Only posh folks call their mother "Mum"

The problem here is the term "posh" is a rather large, wobbly and fuzzy concept which is difficult to define and thus nearly impossible to use to generalize.

dbd33 Nov 19th 2013 2:46 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 10998156)
No, they call her Mummy, or Mother, or Mama. Dads are Daddy or Papa.

Mater and Pater, innit?

bats Nov 19th 2013 2:48 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10998163)
Mater and Pater, innit?

If you're Bertie Wooster.

not2old Nov 19th 2013 2:53 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 10998146)
Apart from the gibberish of the last few words...

I said education with no mention of university.

correct, I said University.

Now as for the drivel - would you agree with me the posh folks that go to university will forever always be posh & the posh status can be lost when they lose their wealth, house & home, ending up on a council estate on welfare (still speaking posh) - or is it that disadvantaged child from the council estate that will never ever be posh even if and or when they succeed to show the world they (as an example) become the Prime minister married into wealth?

Wealth is not posh

Accent is not posh

Grooming is not posh

Position in the world scene is not posh

Elevated status is not posh

so what is posh?

Oink Nov 19th 2013 2:54 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 10998172)
correct, I said University.

Now as for the drivel - would you agree with me the posh folks that go to university will forever always be posh & the posh status can be lost when they lose their wealth, house & home, ending up on a council estate on welfare (still speaking posh) - or is it that disadvantaged child from the council estate that will never ever be posh even if and or when they succeed to show the world they (as an example) become the Prime minister married into wealth?

Wealth is not posh

Accent is not posh

Grooming is not posh

Position in the world scene is not posh

Elevated status is not posh

so what is posh?

Posh is the new chav.

bats Nov 19th 2013 2:54 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 10998153)
If not formal schooling, what configurations of education do you mean?

Where's your question come from? I did not dismiss formal schooling in my post, i said education, but if you want some examples: prep school, independent school, public school, plus the stuff wot yer parents learn ya.

dbd33 Nov 19th 2013 2:56 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 10998168)
If you're Bertie Wooster.

It's just a Volkswagen, honest.

not2old Nov 19th 2013 2:57 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10998163)
Mater and Pater, innit?

there you go again sounding all posh

me Irish Mam is 'mudder' along with me Welsh 'tad'

Sally Redux Nov 19th 2013 2:58 am

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not2old Nov 19th 2013 2:59 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 10998173)
Posh is the new chav.


I wonder if the word, term & usage 'chav' could be trademarked or patented?

not2old Nov 19th 2013 3:01 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 10998174)
Where's your question come from? I did not dismiss formal schooling in my post, i said education, but if you want some examples: prep school, independent school, public school, plus the stuff wot yer parents learn ya.

This thread is about 'posh'.

On the OP it asked the question about schooling ..... my response was Primary - Secondary

4. What type of schools did you go to?

Primary - Secondary
Primary - Public
Prep - Secondary
Prep - Public

bats Nov 19th 2013 3:03 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 10998172)
correct, I said University.

Now as for the drivel - would you agree with me the posh folks that go to university will forever always be posh & the posh status can be lost when they lose their wealth, house & home, ending up on a council estate on welfare (still speaking posh) - or is it that disadvantaged child from the council estate that will never ever be posh even if and or when they succeed to show the world they (as an example) become the Prime minister married into wealth?

Wealth is not posh

Accent is not posh

Grooming is not posh

Position in the world scene is not posh

Elevated status is not posh

so what is posh?


Reread my post will you? I referred to your last few words which did not make sense.

Yep, you mentioned uni, but i didn't.

I don't follow your thought processes in this thread either.

Posh is posh, you don't lose poshness through being poor, you could if you wanted to, the same way you could learn to be posh if you wanted to do so. Most of us learn new behaviours to fit in, some more than others and some do it deliberately.

It isn't any better or worse to be a posh geezer, it's just a way of being

Oink Nov 19th 2013 3:04 am

Re: How posh are you?
 
Are there degrees of poshness? Can one be a bit posh but not completely posh or is it just a discrete concept, where one is or one is not.

bats Nov 19th 2013 3:07 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 10998189)
This thread is about 'posh'.

On the OP it asked the question about schooling ..... my response was Primary - Secondary

4. What type of schools did you go to?

Primary - Secondary
Primary - Public
Prep - Secondary
Prep - Public

Which is a rather limited description of the type of schools in the UK.

However linking back to the original quiz instead of my post replying to Oink's question is rather odd.

bats Nov 19th 2013 3:07 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 10998193)
Are there degrees of poshness? Can one be a bit posh but not completely posh or is it just a discrete concept, where one is or one is not.

Awfully posh?

not2old Nov 19th 2013 3:11 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 10998192)

Posh is posh, you don't lose poshness through being poor, you could if you wanted to,

bollocks


Originally Posted by bats (Post 10998192)
the same way you could learn to be posh if you wanted to do so.

bollocks again



Originally Posted by bats (Post 10998192)
Most of us learn new behaviours to fit in, some more than others and some do it deliberately.

do you do that, if so, how hard do you try to elevate yourself outside of your non-posh comfort zone?

Before you turn it back on me - I don't give a flying crap about posh anything or folks who are or that get elevated (put on pedestals) to the appearance of posh annoyance - poor & disadvantaged is the new posh

Sally Redux Nov 19th 2013 3:13 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 10998197)
Awfully posh?

Frightfully posh.

Oink Nov 19th 2013 3:15 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 10998201)
bollocks



bollocks again




do you do that, if so, how hard do you try to elevate yourself outside of your non-posh comfort zone?

Before you turn it back on me - I don't give a flying crap about posh anything or folks who are or that get elevated (put on pedestals) to the appearance of posh annoyance - poor & disadvantaged is the new posh

I think you're confusing posh with chic.

Oink Nov 19th 2013 3:17 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 10998205)
Frightfully posh.

Boo. Like Boris Johnson?

Sally Redux Nov 19th 2013 3:21 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 10998212)
Boo. Like Boris Johnson?

Yes, or Alexander McCall Smith.

not2old Nov 19th 2013 3:22 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 10998193)
Are there degrees of poshness? Can one be a bit posh but not completely posh or is it just a discrete concept, where one is or one is not.


that's all BS

Or was you meaning 'in the eyes of the beholder' or in trying to fool the unlikely unknown?

Take two families that lived next door to each other on a council estate in the UK, both move to Canada ending up on the same street across from each other.

The adult male in family 'A' works in an automotive plant putting bits on cars as they roll down the assembly line. The male in family 'B' re-educates is now a lawyer. The street refers to the two families as nice but Mr Lawyer is elevated to a status of unbound awe.

The lads get together regularly for a beer & a hockey game while the wives go on about posh comparisons with Mr Lawyer going on to his mate about the new car, clothes he wears, holidays & the toys that he & his kids have.

Could this status be posh?

not2old Nov 19th 2013 3:23 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 10998208)
I think you're confusing posh with chic.

chic & chav sort of rhyme

dbd33 Nov 19th 2013 3:23 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 10998220)
Could this status be posh?

Of course not. "lawyer" is a trade.

not2old Nov 19th 2013 3:25 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 10998196)
Which is a rather limited description of the type of schools in the UK.

However linking back to the original quiz instead of my post replying to Oink's question is rather odd.

see, it only goes to show, nowt posh about me

Oink Nov 19th 2013 3:25 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10998225)
Of course not. "lawyer" is a trade.

And is usually a ****. ;)

ultrarunner Nov 19th 2013 3:25 am

Re: How posh are you?
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 10998212)
Boo. Like Boris Johnson?

Are you saying Honey Boo Boo is Posh, or that Boris Johnson is like Honey Boo Boo :confused:

All I know is that Posh is "Pants"

Beckham eastend boy, will he ever be "posh" with all his money? I doubt it


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