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Re: Guns
Guns are tools, and some people need guns to do some jobs - farmers, for example. Sport, yes. Hunting, yes. Handguns for personal use in the public arena? Not so much.
In order to possess a gun you should need a valid and specific reason, and I'm sorry, but in the United States of America, in the 21st Century - the greatest God-damned country in the whole God-damned world! - it's not good enough to say you need it for "protection". If you really need a gun to keep your family safe, then you are admitting that your civilisation is ****ed. Perhaps we should send a UN Peacekeeping Force in. |
Re: Guns
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 11281212)
How many threads have we had since the Aurora Colorado movie theatre shooting and how many more will we have after this recent one.
Whats the betting that another thread will open up in another couple of months:( People with guns kill people. A gun laid on the ground will not kill you unless handled by another person. Now the question is why is that gun being allowed to be laid on the ground or under the pillow or propped up against the back door. Criminals or psychos or disturbed people don't care about MMPI testing, applying for a licence or completing courses. They get hold of a gun by any means necessary and thats all they need. Enough people out there who don't care who they sell or lend a gun to. If someone is that twisted, it could easily be done as a stabbing rampage or a driving rampage, or a mass poisoning and this kind of thing has happened in many different countries. I guess it comes down to an increase in seriously flawed people!:blink: |
Re: Guns
Originally Posted by Jingsamichty
(Post 11281222)
Guns are tools, and some people need guns to do some jobs - farmers, for example. Sport, yes. Hunting, yes. Handguns for personal use in the public arena? Not so much.
In order to possess a gun you should need a valid and specific reason, and I'm sorry, but in the United States of America, in the 21st Century - the greatest God-damned country in the whole God-damned world! - it's not good enough to say you need it for "protection". If you really need a gun to keep your family safe, then you are admitting that your civilisation is ****ed. Perhaps we should send a UN Peacekeeping Force in. Maybe those 2 x Icelandic members or the 3 from Grenada, or 16 from Samoa and 22 from Singapore will sort them out. |
Re: Guns
Originally Posted by Oakvillian
(Post 11281121)
No. No, it's not. Shooting clays may be your primary purpose, but the gun was designed as an instrument of death. Period.
. Much as I agree that gun control in the US is a sacred cow in need of slaughtering, its foolish to pretend that all guns are the problem. Many casual and leasure users have never ever taken the life of any kind (mozzies excepted) I hate to spout anything "NRA related" in this context, but its true that guns dont kill people, its the people with the gun that kill, and without a gun to fulfill their purpose they could just as easily plow through a school bus line in a stolen Caddy Escalade. Gun control is only part of the bigger picture. Laws alone wont stop the senseless violence, after all, it is, correct me if Im wrong, illegal to murder people in the first place, right? |
Re: Guns
Guns naturally make mass murders easier to commit. How does Canadian news cover these kinds of stories, particularly on TV?
This gives a few chilling ideas about why certain cultures experience them more than others. |
Re: Guns
Originally Posted by MrFloyd
(Post 11281266)
Guns naturally make mass murders easier to commit. How does Canadian news cover these kinds of stories, particularly on TV?
US and Canadian media are largely indistinguishable, unless a drama or comedy happens to be "canadian content", in which case its probably distinctly second rate. |
Re: Guns
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Did someone mention my name :D (Mr. Jossie here BTW!)
Here's a pic taken in the Kootenays. My first Buck! Filled the freezer for a while and tasted great! |
Re: Guns
Originally Posted by Oink
(Post 11280720)
Guns have two purposes. To kill things and to practice killing things. The problem arises when people fetishize about the former purpose and the power that comes from this fantasy. The issue with these mass killings is that they take on a sort of ecstatic form of violence, they become the spectacle. While they seem sensless to the public, the media and the State actually gain power and derive purpose from these acts. You only have to watch the television after an act to see the States’ actors all lined up with their best uniforms almost gleaming with renewed sense of purpose and power, or the TV pundits analyzing every bit of information with their ad hoc psychology and general bollocks.
I have some guns locked away, but I see them like old toothbrushes, I’m not sure why I still keep them, but they’ve had and probably still have a purpose but I don’t romanticize them. |
Re: Guns
Originally Posted by jossie
(Post 11281299)
Did someone mention my name :D (Mr. Jossie here BTW!)
Here's a pic taken in the Kootenays. My first Buck! Filled the freezer for a while and tasted great! |
Re: Guns
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 11281345)
An ATV for ploughing up the trails. A caravan for holding up the traffic. And, of course, a dead thing. No wonder you're so proud to be you.
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Re: Guns
Dbd33 you can't tar all shooters/hunters with the same brush,that's the same as stereotypicaly saying that:
All Englishmen are drunken football hooligans All Scotsmen are whiskey drinking ginger haired nutters All Muslims are terrorists All Germans are Nazis Anyone with half a brain knows that none of the above are true,just like not all hunters or firearms owners drive around on quads pissed and making a mess! I rarely drink,a 12 pack of beer will sit in my fridge for months as I don't enjoy getting drunk,I don't take drugs either,I also know that I am more responsible than you are with firearms as I was trained in the Brittish Armed Forces. As for someone's comment about everyone has a bad day,well even when I watched my mother die,or any of the 3 times my missus had a miscarriage,or lost any of my jobs I never once considered going out and killing someone,NOT once,yes I was depressed,who would not be? Nice deer there Jossie btw! |
Re: Guns
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 11280974)
My English boss has at least 30 firearms, ranging from handguns to AK47 replicas via way of expansive double barrel shotguns for clay pigeon bashing. He has a lot of fun via his hobby and no one is hurt by it.
My own kids (8 and 11) have had great fun at the range firing 22s and shotguns. The problem is not gun ownership per se, its a lack checks in some jurisdictions about who can own them and how, and in particular the rampages that occur now and then are symptomatic of a lack of mental heath provision under a pay to use health care system. Mental health is a factor in big sprees but it's way too simplistic. Ever wondered why someone doesn't ram up the sidewalk on a busy Yonge St? You'd surely get more people that way ... Guns are symbolic, about power over other people. A car is just a vehicle. Its symbolism is less meaningful. As long as guns are in society, and being so integrated at a grassroots level, this problem will always exist. Not that Iain's urchins won't turn out to be fine upstanding citizens I'm sure! |
Re: Guns
Originally Posted by scootb
(Post 11281460)
Dbd33 you can't tar all shooters/hunters with the same brush,that's the same as stereotypicaly saying that:
All Englishmen are drunken football hooligans All Scotsmen are whiskey drinking ginger haired nutters All Muslims are terrorists All Germans are Nazis Anyone with half a brain knows that none of the above are true,just like not all hunters or firearms owners drive around on quads pissed and making a mess! I rarely drink,a 12 pack of beer will sit in my fridge for months as I don't enjoy getting drunk,I don't take drugs either,I also know that I am more responsible than you are with firearms as I was trained in the Brittish Armed Forces. As for someone's comment about everyone has a bad day,well even when I watched my mother die,or any of the 3 times my missus had a miscarriage,or lost any of my jobs I never once considered going out and killing someone,NOT once,yes I was depressed,who would not be? Nice deer there Jossie btw! |
Re: Guns
Originally Posted by London Mike
(Post 11281468)
Guns have absolutely no place in society. Honestly, who thinks it's a sensible idea to introduce kids to firearms "for fun"? I can't abide this line of "oh come on, it's cultural differences - deal with it." The right to bear arms (in Canada or US) has as much modern meaning as outlawing homosexuality or forbidding women priests (which never had any meaning of course). It's not cultural in Canada to use or own a gun. It's an excuse for members of the rural community to have some playtime at the expense of animals. And on that note, if we never shot a deer ever again in Ontario would we really be overrun by a rampaging, stampeding population? Of course not. And if hunting is the concern, why own 13 guns etc? This is all about choice, and right wing politics too naturally.
Mental health is a factor in big sprees but it's way too simplistic. Ever wondered why someone doesn't ram up the sidewalk on a busy Yonge St? You'd surely get more people that way ... Guns are symbolic, about power over other people. A car is just a vehicle. Its symbolism is less meaningful. As long as guns are in society, and being so integrated at a grassroots level, this problem will always exist. Not that Iain's urchins won't turn out to be fine upstanding citizens I'm sure! It's embarrassing/disgusting that there are parents on here who encourage/allow their kids to fire guns. I also struggle with this car/gun comparison. Why not compare dropping a TV on some ones head with firing a gun it's so stupid. Guns are designed for damage end of........they should be withdrawn from retail. |
Re: Guns
Originally Posted by jossie
(Post 11281303)
Kind of like a fishing rod, wouldn't you agree? Not that I have anything against fishing ;)
Try pulling a bullet out. The two don't really have anything in common. |
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