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Former Lancastrian Jun 5th 2014 10:51 am

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Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 11290121)
So perhaps you can stop harrasing innocent travellers at the airport then;)

Its not narcotics Im looking for its that soft cheese from Europe thats prohibited;)

bats Jun 5th 2014 11:46 am

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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 11290124)
Its not narcotics Im looking for its that soft cheese from Europe thats prohibited;)

Oh, so hard to mask the smell of an oozy Brie, you gave to give them points for trying

Alan2005 Jun 5th 2014 11:50 am

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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 11290124)
Its not narcotics Im looking for its that soft cheese from Europe thats prohibited;)

You'll take my cheese from my cold dead hands.

scrubbedexpat091 Jun 5th 2014 11:53 am

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Shooting in Seattle today at a university there.

Eddmac Jun 5th 2014 11:54 am

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Has anyone ever heard of a place called Northern Ireland?
Have you ever heard of the troubles?

How many of the firearms used in the murders there over the years do you think were used by licensed owners?, I'll give you a hint, it's close to none.

Most intentional killings with firearms are by criminals with illegal firearms, making firearms illegal for all or most people wont stop criminals getting and using them, it will only remove something from people who generally aren't a risk and stop the sum total of no criminals from getting firearms.

The argument that guns are created for killing is the most ridiculous piece of nonsense I have ever heard. Knives were created for killing, as were clubs, bats, or pretty much anything with an edge or a point. Most of these things now have other uses and are accepted, but that doesn't remove the fact they were created for killing, why don't we restrict golf clubs, baseball bats, hockey sticks, boomerangs, etc etc.

I love the people that rant about not comparing guns to cars because it doesn't suit their image in their heads, it's a valid comparison, deal with it. Anything that can kill someone either intentionally or unintentionally is a valid comparison.

Over the years, I have had access to all kinds of deadly weapons, from rifles, handguns, bows, crossbows, knives, catapults, javelins frying pans, cars, mag lights, baseball bats, Hurley stocks, etc etc and not once have I wanted to go on a rampage. Not once have I shot anything other than an inanimate object either.

If you people trying to seriously limit or restrict firearms think it's going to make the world a safer place you are seriously mistaken and are likely making your judgements based on the sum total of zero firsthand knowledge of the subject matter. Ever wonder how hard it was to legally own a firearm in Northern Ireland at the height of the troubles? Think it stopped there being thousands of firearms in the country? LoL

Here's a final poser for you.
Have you ever noticed that if something is not allowed or illegal there are always a certain type of people that will go out of their way to have it? Think maybe this is the type of person that is going to do something bad perhaps?

BristolUK Jun 5th 2014 12:08 pm

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Good to see satire's not dead then. :rofl:

Sally Redux Jun 5th 2014 12:10 pm

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Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11290180)
Shooting in Seattle today at a university there.

Nothing to do with guns.

JamesM Jun 5th 2014 12:14 pm

Re: Guns
 

Originally Posted by Eddmac (Post 11290183)
Has anyone ever heard of a place called Northern Ireland?
Have you ever heard of the troubles?

How many of the firearms used in the murders there over the years do you think were used by licensed owners?, I'll give you a hint, it's close to none.

Most intentional killings with firearms are by criminals with illegal firearms, making firearms illegal for all or most people wont stop criminals getting and using them, it will only remove something from people who generally aren't a risk and stop the sum total of no criminals from getting firearms.

The argument that guns are created for killing is the most ridiculous piece of nonsense I have ever heard. Knives were created for killing, as were clubs, bats, or pretty much anything with an edge or a point. Most of these things now have other uses and are accepted, but that doesn't remove the fact they were created for killing, why don't we restrict golf clubs, baseball bats, hockey sticks, boomerangs, etc etc.

I love the people that rant about not comparing guns to cars because it doesn't suit their image in their heads, it's a valid comparison, deal with it. Anything that can kill someone either intentionally or unintentionally is a valid comparison.

Over the years, I have had access to all kinds of deadly weapons, from rifles, handguns, bows, crossbows, knives, catapults, javelins frying pans, cars, mag lights, baseball bats, Hurley stocks, etc etc and not once have I wanted to go on a rampage. Not once have I shot anything other than an inanimate object either.

If you people trying to seriously limit or restrict firearms think it's going to make the world a safer place you are seriously mistaken and are likely making your judgements based on the sum total of zero firsthand knowledge of the subject matter. Ever wonder how hard it was to legally own a firearm in Northern Ireland at the height of the troubles? Think it stopped there being thousands of firearms in the country? LoL

Here's a final poser for you.
Have you ever noticed that if something is not allowed or illegal there are always a certain type of people that will go out of their way to have it? Think maybe this is the type of person that is going to do something bad perhaps?

Wow. This is pure genius.

Sally Redux Jun 5th 2014 12:16 pm

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Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11290208)
Wow. This is pure genius.

War is peace.

Steve_ Jun 5th 2014 12:21 pm

Re: Guns
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 11290018)
It's probably impossible to have no mass shootings but I'd have thought the happy medium was fewer of them.

But how do you define that? Because inevitably it will happen. What frequency and body count would you be okay with? The answer is zero.


It just seems to me that DEALING should be regulated.
It is regulated, you need a firearm business licence, have a read of the Firearms Act. If you're engaged in the business, you have to have a licence, heavy-duty security, etc.

Certainly far more regulated than any other retail business I can think of.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/f-11.6/ - also the many statutory regulations at the bottom of the page. Also the provisions of the Criminal Code: http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/a...e-42.html#h-37

JamesM Jun 5th 2014 12:27 pm

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Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 11290211)
War is peace.

I'm thinking about going out and buying a gun tomorrow so I can put it in my cupboard and then tell people gun's are safe as I own one and I've not shot anyone.

Steve_ Jun 5th 2014 12:28 pm

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Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11290090)
Gun ownership needs to be made more restrictive.

And what exactly do you propose that hasn't been tried before? And what effect do you think it will have? Talk is cheap.

With the advent of 3D printers using direct laser metal sintering (DLMS), I think the whole thing becomes academic. Not really that hard to make a gun with a lathe and a few tools and a block of metal as the Taliban have shown on numerous occasions, but when it gets to the point where you can buy a printer, load a block of steel into it and download a program off the web, bye bye any chance of any regulation at all, imo.

I think it will be interesting to see what happens, because in the US it won't make that much difference, but in countries like the UK, it will be a bit of a mind blowing event for the police.

Sally Redux Jun 5th 2014 12:33 pm

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Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11290226)
I'm thinking about going out and buying a gun tomorrow so I can put it in my cupboard and then tell people gun's are safe as I own one and I've not shot anyone.

Get half a dozen, you can also say the number of guns in circulation has no bearing on shooting statistics.

JamesM Jun 5th 2014 12:34 pm

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Originally Posted by Steve_ (Post 11290228)
And what exactly do you propose that hasn't been tried before? And what effect do you think it will have? Talk is cheap.

With the advent of 3D printers using direct laser metal sintering (DLMS), I think the whole thing becomes academic. Not really that hard to make a gun with a lathe and a few tools and a block of metal as the Taliban have shown on numerous occasions, but when it gets to the point where you can buy a printer, load a block of steel into it and download a program off the web, bye bye any chance of any regulation at all, imo.

I think it will be interesting to see what happens, because in the US it won't make that much difference, but in countries like the UK, it will be a bit of a mind blowing event for the police.

They have a 3D printer in the library next door. I'd better warn them.

They haven't actually tried all that many things before and not everyone shares your same defeatist attitude.

Gun control is just a matter of time and more killings. It just needs to be more relative to those that occupy the Senate or Representatives.

As I said up thread it'll be interesting when Michael Bloomberg takes it on full time.

iaink Jun 5th 2014 12:40 pm

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Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11290226)
I'm thinking about going out and buying a gun tomorrow so I can put it in my cupboard and then tell people gun's are safe as I own one and I've not shot anyone.

You couldn't do that. There are laws here to prevent that time frame.


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