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Exactly, so you can convince the person to change their behaviour.

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Does it?
I think it just shows that you shouldnt break the existing law by shooting in your garage because someone might get hurt???

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where's the hypocrisy? I'd much rather see an outright ban on smoking than an outright ban on firearms, but I am not advocating for either. I do not wish to "deprive" anybody of anything except the already remote chance of being shot at.

I'd also like to see much heavier penalties for drinking and driving, but I wouldn't want to ban either cars or alcohol.

I enjoy drinking; I enjoy driving; I used to enjoy smoking before I gave up a dozen years ago; I enjoyed shooting on the occasions I've had a go.

Driving is also a necessary function of my daily life, at least until the GTA has an integrated transit system. It is tightly regulated. People still get killed because there are prats on the road who don't obey the rules - not all of whom are mentally deranged. In many years' time, with concerted government efforts and a societal shift in attitude towards public transportation, I may not see driving as a necessary part of my existence. That will be a shame, but not an insurmountable assault on my rights.

Shooting can be an enjoyable social pastime, but it tightly regulated. You can't wander around the street waving a gun around, you can shoot at a club/range or on a designated hunting ground in season. You can only aquire firearms once you've done the licensing thing. There are restrictions in how you transport guns.

Drinking is an enjoyable social pastime, but again is tightly regulated. You can't wander around the street drinking, you've to do it in approved places, you have to go to a Government-licensed premises to buy it, and you can't have accessible alcoholic drinks in the car when you're driving. That's not so far removed from the situation with guns, really, is it?

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Laws are a reflection of society - for a gun law to work it would have to be the other way around, that's why they don't work when it comes to nutters, imo because a person who is crazy is obviously not going to care about violating societal norms.

It's not just that they don't follow the gun law, they don't subscribe to the culture. This is why the phenomenon of "gun nuts" exists - they don't give a shit about what society thinks of them. They have rejected the culture.

Let's put it like this - a lot of people knew this guy in Moncton was going off the rails. A few people in Santa Barbara knew that kid was going off the rails.

It's pretty obvious that a lot of people commenting in this thread own guns.

I can pretty much guarantee that if someone on here started saying weird stuff and you thought they were going to go off on a rampage and you called the police - that is far more likely to stop the next mass shooting than anything the government can do.

There is not a magic wand the police can wave. Government is not the solution to every problem.

Look at places where there is lots of armed crime like parts of Chicago - they are places where society has broken down.

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It's probably impossible to have no mass shootings but I'd have thought the happy medium was fewer of them.


Well I took that for granted. The seller has a gun so it follows he has a licence and the buyer is supposed to have one to own a gun.

It just seems to me that DEALING should be regulated.

You need some sort of qualification to be a financial advisor. You need hygiene certificates to run a kitchen in a restaurant.

You don't need some sort of permission to deal in guns privately when there are various standards needed for doing so commercially? Madness.

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This thread is like King Canute trying to stop the incoming tide.
The vast majority of responsible gun owners can be trusted with their firearms.
A criminal will obtain a gun by any means available.
With so many firearms available and out there a criminal can get one.
One has to question why some gun owners need 13 plus weapons at home or why they need to collect them.
And don't even start about well the gun registry might have stopped this.
Obviously the individual for whatever reason went off the rails.
People are saying we should adopt the Australian model of gun ownership but even that won't stop any person getting hold of a gun. Criminals smuggle and will sell guns.

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Why is it just with guns that any legislation is presented as a hopeless case? We don't send kids up chimneys or drive them without seatbelts, but guns, fine, can't interfere with that can you? :confused:

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I hate smoking.

Thankfully it got banned in all the places I go some years ago.

You preaching about an issue that has largely been resolved.

Passive smoking is not what it once was due to banning it in indoor public places.

Now my attention has turned to guns because people use them deliberately to kill other people too often on this continent and if less guns were available there would be less people killed with guns.

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Because criminals don't follow laws regardless of what they are put in place for be it guns, narcotics, drink driving, theft etc etc etc.
NO LEGISLATION will stop criminals doing what they do.
Ya really think we are winning the war on drugs?

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:confused:


I will never understand it.

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So why make it easier for criminals? Your argument does not work.

It's like saying terrorists will find ways to blow up planes so why bother implementing measures to try and stop them blowing up planes.

Poor argument.

Gun ownership needs to be made more restrictive. If the West leads the way, perhaps one day the east will follow suit and the net gain will benefit everybody.

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Makes far more sense, all that faff at the airport drives me nuts.

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Tell me about it.

Taking out the laptop. Removing the watch. Removing the belt. Removing suit jacket. Removing the shoes. Placing phone and wallet in tray.

Much easier when it is not business travel and I can just go through in shorts and sandles.

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Australia has some strict laws for ownership basically prove you need a firearm. With millions of guns already in circulation in Canada criminals will find a way to get them unless they bring in a law where the police can go and search your home for guns and every household and take the guns off the street.
So what measures do we have in place to stop a firearm being purchased quite a few. Is this stopping it NO.
You could introduce a law tomorrow saying no more guns can be sold or imported into Canada but there are still millions out there.
BTW where is Canada situated again?

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So perhaps you can stop harrasing innocent travellers at the airport then;)