Costa is the best without a shadow..best food selection also..actually coffee shop food selection in Canada is sheet

That's because you go to coffee shops, especially the chain ones.

Independent coffee shops often have better baked goods because they buy from independent bakers, not the chain-designed and pre-baked. Many of them then ask their regular customers to report back on new products! Plus they often make their own sandwiches, paninis, etc ........ and will often make them to order whenever possible.

But you really should go to Coffee Shop AND Bakery, or Bakery AND Coffee Shop ................. they have the baked goods you might desire.

I've had delicious Cornish Pasties, meat pies, sandwiches, sweet pastries at such places ................ The Other Paw Bakery and Coffee Shop in Jasper was one.

Also look for independent doughnut bakeries ........... they are much better than any of the chains you've all named. The chains pre-make their food in a central place, then deliver them to the franchisee stores, where they are either baked or re-heated.

Tim Horton's does that with their doughnuts and fritters, part of an on-going battle with franchisees and management, especially in Ontario. Some Timmies had started making sandwiches to order as a trial back in ca 2015........... I don't know whether that has continued.

So far the best coffee outside of home I've had in Vancouver is Cafe Artigiano. Waves is alright followed by Tim Hortons. Starbucks I find is too bitter. I've had Costa coffee in Vancouver from automatic machines in gas stations. It's not bad either and tastes the same as in the UK. Some of the cafes on Commercial have good coffee.

In the UK I never went much to Greggs much except to buy pastry occasionally. I remember these foamy white coffees that were mostly milk and were common in independent coffee shops in London - bit bland.

Cappuccinos or lattes?

It was called 'white coffee' and it was mostly milk with a dash of coffee.

It's only superior if they have shops selling hot pies and pasties over here.

Ah! I now see the error of my ways . Bird's is based around Derbyshire/Staffs and Notts. I'm rather partial to their Elephant's Foot, which is basically a giant profiterole. I'm not one for pies and sausage rolls, though I do love a good Cornish pasty. I had no idea that Gregg's were in Canada too. I do remember enjoying a sausage butty from Gregg's when I was working at an hotel in St Helens back in 1983.

Greggs is disgusting. Horrible chavvy chain food. In that respect it is a perfect equivalent to Tim Hortons even though they do different types of food. It's basically eating for morons.

Tell us how you really feel about Greggs

Go to any Tim Horton's in Canada on the edge of a town and you'll be sure to find 'folks' who rail against the 'guvnmnt' and read the local version of the 'Sun' all the while drinking beige water.

Does Greggs promote littering? Pollution? Obesity? Swerving all over the road?

I would say these are the key brand identifiers for Tim Hortons. If Greggs constrains itself to poisoning its customers then it is a better corporate citizen than Tim Hortons.

Obesity? Greggs' causes pedestrian chaos due to the multitude of mobility scooters dumped on the pavement outside every shop.

They're not. There's nothing like it combined with the easy availability - popping out from work at lunchtime.

I meant that Greggs could only be superior to anything similar in the UK if they also had shops in Canada and the "anything similar" didn't. Or vice versa

While I admit they're deliciously chavvy, they fed me (mainly chips) almost every lunchtime in secondary school.