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Finally, it seems the protestors will be moved from Ottawa. What a sorry saga it has been. Hard to understand why the Emergencies Act had to be invoked to actually effect it, but I suppose the Fed eventually lost its patience.

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Like an updated version of Braveheart without the deaths and Scottish accents. FREEDOM.

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And the reason !

They seem to be brainwashed by American ideology. Even flying some flags from the Revolutionary War.

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I listened to a frothing cradle ranting from the barber's chair this morning. Apparently Trudeau has used his powers under martial law to suspend US investment in Canada but it'll all be ok when the Republicans retake the House as that will be the end of him.

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Nothing worse that white middle aged frothing cradle. Pure scum!

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I feel that cradle Canadians understand Canadian and US politics like I understand Coronation Street and East Enders. The general impression is a bit vague and sometimes the plot and characters from one gets mixed up with those from the other. That's what Fox wants, of course.

Fortunately, one rarely has to deal with them.

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Justin now appearing on some American protest signs and on US late night talk shows, so you might be on to something there. He does seem to have been slow to lead on this particular 'uprising'.

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Interesting piece. Not sure if the Canadian flag has "matured" or simply been sullied ...

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thehouse/ot...ning-1.6357159

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This was somewhat amusing and a bit of an embarrassment for the protesters

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Somewhat amusing and somewhat depressing. I hadn't realized that such public incoherence existed in Canada. I supposed it's highly edited, but the 'reporter' did a good job.

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I've never heard the accent the protestors have. It's awful, as if they were retarded Minnesotans. Is that the voice of the overland; MB SK AB and such?

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I feel sorry for this reporter. He seemed genuinely spooked.

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A free press is the enemy of modern conservatism, they have to discredit it by suppressing reports and denouncing facts as "fake news". Otherwise Trump, Johnson, Bergen et al will be made to look ridiculous.

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I honestly think many of those protestors are fighting over the use a single brain cell amongst them. They actually make MAGA supporters look somewhat lucid by comparison.

I suppose the question is whether any real penalties will be handed out. From what one of the lawyers on the National was saying last night, as first time offenders with no record, leniancy will probably prevail.

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They were only exercising their First Amendment rights, as Tamara Lich's husband explained (perfectly rebutting the idea that all schools in Canada are equal and the education is adequate).

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Bizarre. Social media amplifying misinformation once again. Many of the protestors somehow seem naive when compared to Brits or Americans. Kind of passive aggressive niceness when confronting the riot police. And singing Oh Canada as some kind of protective chant.

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So much misinformation, even so called journalists reporting fake news and leaving it up despite being corrected:

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Here in the UK I've seen loads of comment from right-wing loons condemning the police actions in Ottowa, saying that they are authoritarian and anti-democratic. These are the same people who condemned the Extinction Rebellion protests for inconveniencing them, which has resulted in a new Police, Crime, Sentencing & Courts Act which effectively makes even thinking about protesting a criminal offence.

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Fox News isn't a news network, they only have a license to broadcast entertainment. Anything on Fox, or reported by an associate of Fox, should be treated accordingly.


The worrying thing about this protest, about the direction of conservatism generally, is that rationality has been abandoned. There was no key objective to this protest, it was a generalized wail against the government based on a whole load of made up nonsense. Fox broadcasts fantasy all the time, the public are not well educated and cannot tell what's really "fake news". They don't differentiate Canada from the US because it's all the same on TV. Venal politicians try to catch the populist wave, for example Candice Bergen in her MAGAt hat, with no thought beyond the next election. Loathsome though the conservatives have always been, we do need them to get their act somewhat together, a parliamentary democracy needs a literate opposition. The current shower make Mulroney look, if not principled, at least coherent.

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A Mr D Murray by any chance ?

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Someone I know has pisted a video on FB. The protestor speaking said that a a politician in New Mexico has tabled a motion to offer sanctuary to those who don't like the mandates etc, from tgat he extrapolated that the USA if offering asylum to Canadians.

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It's dumbfounding to realise that people believe that kind of quarter-baked nonsense. I guess such loons are normally in that corner of the bar that everyone avoids. This time they are on the streets with TV cameras and the outcome is not pretty.

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They are only in that corner of the bar because Jeremy Kyle isn't running anymore so nowhere else for them to go. :rofl:

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I enjoyed this. Trigger warnings, extreme vulgarity, local accents:

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Ah, the eloquent vocabulary of your standard Canadian critter. I get it that he is mad and fed up with the noise and disruption but he really does need to find a few more words to express himself. Honestly though if I didn't know better I would have thought he could have been one of the convoy crew.

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I find it bizarre that nobody has commented upon the use of a sledgehammer to crack a nut with the use of the Emergencies Act.

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Failure of policing, innit? They shouldn't have let the gypos form an encampment so as to avoid having to break it up, once the policing collapsed escalation was inevitable. I don't think it reasonable to claim an ongoing emergency though.

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See Post #1 in this thread.

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I believe that this summed it up quite well. I really hope that Poilievre becomes the new leader of the Tories. He is usually clinical when he debates the government's intentions, which can only be a good thing, whether you support the government, or not.

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Only watched the first few mins (so far) he's seems to be a good speaker, but isn't he simply stoking resentment in saying that Trudeau orchestrated the mandate to purposely peanalize the truckers? Wasn't it just a poorly thought out mandate and then a chaotic and slow response to the truckers protest which emerged ?

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What he says is simply not true. The US vaccine mandate preventing unvaccinated drivers from going there isn't something the Canadian Prime Minister invented. The PM alone is not responsible for the price of houses and, anyway, the conservatives are the party of high property values. I get that the new right has no interest in facts but it's lazy on his part, there must be some policy the government actually has against which he could argue.

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Yes, I was bit shocked at that lazy political point scoring. Surely there's enough incompetence and error on which to roast Trudeau without making stuff up. And the female Conservatives MP the other day bringing up blackface was equally dubious.

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Was that the MAGAt hat woman? Bergen?

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Yes. Seems to be her. Acting leader. She made the comment in the HOC.

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Maybe the use of the act and the uncertainty it created among the protesters made a difference. Freezing of bank accounts for example could weaken resolve.
Perhaps but having gone that far ending it would be more difficult.
From the guardian report
No idea how many drivers and or vehicles that involved, but could it not be argued that the emergency powers made people leave of their own accord and thus made the whole operation thereafter much easier to manage?

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I think we're saying the same thing. Once the police abdicated their responsibility to police, the temporary use of drastic measure was justified.

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So, where do we think these two will be on the Ukraine; pro-Putin like the Republicans, gently supportive of Putin, like Johnson, or something else entirely?

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Actually, it's bizarre that there's been so little comment to the effect that Justin "is just following in his father's footsteps", in invoking the (nicer, kinder) version of the War Measures Act of 50 years ago. There's been some, but surprisingly most of what I've seen on that theme is from foreign-press sources.

Invocation of the War Measures Act (or more particularly, how it was implemented) was 'the' major permanent stain on Pierre Trudeau's political legacy within Quebec, and justifiably so. The resulting RCMP overreach in terms of mass arrests of pro-independance Quebecois' intellectuals was a massive over-reaction to a small and containable terrorist cell, and it set up the ascendancy of the mainstream Quebec separatist movement for years to come.

Which was a tragic miscalculation, by an otherwise transformative Prime Minister. Pierre Trudeau was the PM who "repatriated" the Canadian Constitution, finally separating the wellspring of Canadian legal authority from its former formal home in the UK, and establishing a Canadian Bill of Rights in the process.

I have no doubt that Justin Trudeau felt constrained by the legacy of his old man, when he hesitated to shut down the recent protests in Ottawa--too gentle by half, until very recently.

So he hasn't failed in the sense that Pierre did (i.e.authorising too heavy a crackdown on the wrong people), but he hasn't demonstrated any of the profound nation-building instincts either.

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The Canadian press is in such a sorry state that isn't really surprising. Canadian media rarely actually does any analysis of an issue or situation, usually just quotes and paraphrases experts (who will often have a political agenda). I've heard this has been attributed to Canada's libel laws and some legal precedents that usually side against journalists.