Good point and very true.

I'll have to take your word for that as I've never been part of any church... sounds an odd thing to do though, if you don't have at, the very least, some belief system.
Personally I find it hard to believe that anybody goes to church just for the craic.

The wiki entry specifically contradicts the idea that the people listed have self-identified as belonging to the religion. The measure is as crude as "live in Utah, count as Mormon", "live in Ireland, count as Catholic". That said, even if we accept that 10% of the population of the world are sincere holders of some sort of faith that's still not a reason to allow their faith to influence legislation. Some faiths have beliefs cancelling out those of others, some don't have a view on the matter at issue, none present rational arguments for their position.

We may as well say that people with autism should set the laws as people with religion.

Toronto municipal politics doesn't suit everyone though.

I reckon alot more than 10% have religous beliefs.
I also reckon that even today religous beliefs world wide, more than influence
individual countries laws and Society.Including the west. I dont believe for 1 minute
that majority on this planet are athiests ,agnostics, or nihilist/nielist.
The non believers are still in the minority.
Myself..I suppose in the minority, but have deep spiritual beliefs that cross the
Divide and plains of life.

Has it, momentarily at least, occurred to you that what you posted is self contradictory gibberish?

Oh, in that case I will go back to the cricket..

who gives a shit what anyone else believes? If it comforts them to believe then what business is it of anyone elses?? threads like this never cease to amaze me, if people are so comfortable with their view then why do they feel the need to try and convince everyone else to join their ranks?? is it for comfort or something? sheesh

It's because the original thread was about owners of a B & B who refused a gay couple room because it was against their religious beliefs and were taken to court and lost.

I may have left out some detail but that's the essence.

It is when a 'belief' effects someone else that one should, as you say, give a 'shit'.

I disagree entirely, you see what's in the press and you get all upset by it. Perhaps the couple knew full well the reaction they'd get and went through pure bloody mindedness. Not saying that is the case but it could be as far as you or I know. If everywhere should be gay friendly then why are there gay clubs, surely there's no need for them. I even stayed in a hotel once that gladly proclaimed to be gay friendly - a good thing or a product of a gay - unfriendly society?? it's all bollocks really isn't it?

I don't. So long as they don't act on their beliefs. World is flat, gay people shouldn't stay in hotels, Jesus Lives!, Russell Brand is funny, it's all the same to me.

It's only when people want to affect the lives of others on the excuse of their religion that there's a problem. Be as religious as you like, in your own bedroom.

It seems yesterday's untolerated have become today's intolerent

interesting situation

Is this a case of political correctness gone mad?

or do homosexuals automatically have the gawd-given right to be catered to even if the hotel owner thinks different?
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did we really get an answer to my first post?

did these innkeepers have no rights?

I think they did the right thing going to court even though their case was doomed from the start

they took a principled stand because their personal beliefs counted for something also

I answered way back. They run a business and so must obey the laws that relate to that business. You would not expect the gay couple to be refused service in a store or restaurant. This is no different. Once they opened a B and B the rental and public rooms stopped being their home.

If you mean those of us who don't want to pander to your religion by having laws reflect it, then the proposition fails because there's no argument for suppression of belief nor display. Wear a kirpan or yarmulke or a burka if you so choose, just don't make other people do it.