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Old Dec 3rd 2013 | 1:06 pm
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Holy crap if you're gonna be pedantic about it I'm sure there's a whole heap of people out there that do stuff many of you disagree with, but they keep it behind doors because it isn't either legally or morally acceptable. But because they conform to the 'norm' of man / wife 2.4 children then it's ok.

A person is a person is a person, wtf is so difficult to grasp with that fact.
 
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Originally Posted by Shard
What on earth is that about?
It explains why some people are unable to accept that there are some things they just can't have.
 
Old Dec 3rd 2013 | 1:11 pm
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It explains why some people are unable to accept that there are some things they just can't have.
Such as?
 
Old Dec 3rd 2013 | 1:12 pm
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Originally Posted by Shard
Apparently MLK's ideas were based more on those of Ghandi than Christianity. I wouldn't dispute the coherence of his thoughts on equal rights and kindness, those are human values which have been co-opted by so the called evolving (Christian) doctrine.
Ghandi liked to sleep with children apparently. As a test, of course. MLK isn't the person I was referring to earlier.
 
Old Dec 3rd 2013 | 1:16 pm
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Originally Posted by jimf
Ghandi liked to sleep with children apparently. As a test, of course. MLK isn't the person I was referring to earlier.
Naked teenage girls wasn't? He was tested many times

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Old Dec 3rd 2013 | 1:17 pm
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Originally Posted by jimf
Ghandi liked to sleep with children apparently. As a test, of course. MLK isn't the person I was referring to earlier.
Did not know that (Ghandi).
You were referring to reformation Luther?
 
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Where's that in the DSM IV?
 
Old Dec 3rd 2013 | 1:36 pm
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Originally Posted by Shard
Did not know that (Ghandi).
You were referring to reformation Luther?
I never mentioned the word King. Martin Luther was mentioned though.
 
Old Dec 3rd 2013 | 1:44 pm
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I never mentioned the word King. Martin Luther was mentioned though.
The Diet of Worms.
 
Old Dec 3rd 2013 | 1:58 pm
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I never mentioned the word King. Martin Luther was mentioned though.
If you're referring to the 15th century Martin Luther, that's quite interesting. A giant of religious thinking, and one who had enormous intellectual courage to challenge the orthodoxy of the day.

However, 500 years ago was a very different time: no physics, virtually no significant knowledge of biology, disease, genomics, neuro-science; alchemy instead of chemistry, very little knowledge of the universe, no computers to analyse vast tracts of data. It's understandable that a highly intelligent man like Luther would think in terms of religion.

Were he alive today, with all the knowledge we as a species have amassed in the last century (particularly the last century) I am not convinced that as a radical thinker, he would cling to his Bronze Age scriptures as a truthful representation of the world.

It's for the same I don't understand why intelligent people now don't accept a godless reality. It baffles me.
 
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Originally Posted by Shard
It's for the same I don't understand why intelligent people now don't accept a godless reality. It baffles me.
Faith.... and you cannot prove the absence of God.
 
Old Dec 3rd 2013 | 2:56 pm
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Originally Posted by Shard
If you're referring to the 15th century Martin Luther, that's quite interesting. A giant of religious thinking, and one who had enormous intellectual courage to challenge the orthodoxy of the day.

However, 500 years ago was a very different time: no physics, virtually no significant knowledge of biology, disease, genomics, neuro-science; alchemy instead of chemistry, very little knowledge of the universe, no computers to analyse vast tracts of data. It's understandable that a highly intelligent man like Luther would think in terms of religion.

Were he alive today, with all the knowledge we as a species have amassed in the last century (particularly the last century) I am not convinced that as a radical thinker, he would cling to his Bronze Age scriptures as a truthful representation of the world.

It's for the same I don't understand why intelligent people now don't accept a godless reality. It baffles me.
 
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Originally Posted by Shard

It's for the same I don't understand why intelligent people now don't accept a godless reality. It baffles me.
It doesn't baffle me at all. It is blind faith, tradition, upbringing, schooling, and a host of other factors.

Take me as an example

I was raised and baptized a Catholic even though mum and dad were not particularly devout. So I can not say religion was drilled into me.

Through circumstances beyond my control I ended up in a boarding school for 5 years run by Australian Jesuit missionaries. I was altar boy every day at school by sheer default since 99% of the boys were Hindus and Muslims.

I became quite religious as a teenager. I suspect it was the indoctrination.

As an adult my views changed and I questioned the existence of God. It is now at the point where I do not believe in God as was taught to me in my youth.

I consider myself as quite intelligent but still can understand why other equally intelligent people will cling to the belief in God. I respect their belief.

It is simply blind faith at work and wanting to believe. it defies logic and science. But that's basic human nature.
 
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Originally Posted by TheCreature
Faith.... and you cannot prove the absence of God.
it could also be fear just in case it turns out there is a God
 
Old Dec 3rd 2013 | 3:14 pm
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it could also be fear just in case it turns out there is a God
Some people do turn to God late in life. No harm in hedging your bets.
 


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