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dbd33 Oct 20th 2016 4:46 am

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Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 12081615)
Incidents like this are accidents waiting to happen...

Birds of a feather....

Well, yes, people who drink alcohol and people who have sex are all going to die.

Bermudashorts Oct 20th 2016 5:19 am

Re: Gable Tostee of Tinder
 

Originally Posted by beckiwoo (Post 12081501)
Although he didnt push her off. I dont think he was completely blameless.


Originally Posted by bats (Post 12081503)
He was found not guilty but only after long deliberation. I'd have said manslaughter myself. He sounds a totally despicable character who should take some responsibility for his part in this.

He was being tried for murder and manslaughter. He did not push her either deliberately or accidentally, she fell when he presented no immediate threat being on the other side of a locked door. Her alcohol level would have had much to do with the irrational decision to climb over a balcony.

He cannot be found guilty of murder or manslaughter just because he is an unpleasant young man.

bats Oct 20th 2016 10:47 am

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Originally Posted by Bermudashorts (Post 12081668)
He was being tried for murder and manslaughter. He did not push her either deliberately or accidentally, she fell when he presented no immediate threat being on the other side of a locked door. Her alcohol level would have had much to do with the irrational decision to climb over a balcony.

He cannot be found guilty of murder or manslaughter just because he is an unpleasant young man.

Asthenosphere articles I've read say he threatened to throw her off off the balcony, by the sounds on the tape he'd probably tried to throttle her, she was screaming "let me go" over and over. She was drunk. A reasonable person would think that putting her out on the balcony might be dangerous for her. He had other choices, ie putting her in the bedroom and not going in there with her, putting her outside, but he chose the balcony.

I think he was responsible.

beckiwoo Oct 20th 2016 1:14 pm

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Originally Posted by Bermudashorts (Post 12081668)

He cannot be found guilty of murder or manslaughter just because he is an unpleasant young man.

He threatened to knock her out didn't he - I call that unpleasant!

Oink Oct 20th 2016 1:20 pm

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I doubt it would be a great loss to humanity if they both had of gone over the railing.

Dorothy Oct 20th 2016 3:21 pm

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Originally Posted by beckiwoo (Post 12081977)
He threatened to knock her out didn't he - I call that unpleasant!

Unpleasant doesn't necessarily mean murderer.

Bermudashorts Oct 20th 2016 8:40 pm

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Originally Posted by beckiwoo (Post 12081977)
He threatened to knock her out didn't he - I call that unpleasant!

And she was throwing rocks at him, hitting him and she attacked him with a telescope. I said he was unpleasant, however he was not on trial for being unpleasant. He was on trial for murder and manslaughter and he did not do either of those things.

I think prisons would be very full if we were all sent there for shouting "I'm going to kill you" or the like whilst angry.

Almost Canadian Oct 21st 2016 1:42 am

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Originally Posted by bats (Post 12081894)
Asthenosphere articles I've read say he threatened to throw her off off the balcony, by the sounds on the tape he'd probably tried to throttle her, she was screaming "let me go" over and over. She was drunk. A reasonable person would think that putting her out on the balcony might be dangerous for her. He had other choices, ie putting her in the bedroom and not going in there with her, putting her outside, but he chose the balcony.

I think he was responsible.

One assumes the members of the jury were reasonable people and, after hearing all of the evidence, they acquitted him. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but it won't change the outcome.

beckiwoo Oct 21st 2016 3:48 am

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Originally Posted by Dorothy (Post 12082007)
Unpleasant doesn't necessarily mean murderer.

Did I mention the word 'murderer' in any of my posts?

I just hope other women in the Gold Coast area are aware of him now and swipe left when they get to his profile on tinder!

dave_j Oct 21st 2016 4:21 am

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12081634)
Well, yes, people who drink alcohol and people who have sex are all going to die.

I'll open a small can of worms because I realise that the following argument has a few holes in it but...

If you define normality as that behaviour observed and followed by the majority of a species, then in this particular case, visiting a website that describes itself as a 'naughty dating site' and one that caters for niche behaviour will by definition be not normal.

When you have two individuals looking to behave abnormally then other social norms become of secondary importance and limitations on what might be considered acceptable behaviour do not exist.

Locking someone on a balcony high above ground level when they are drunk might seem reckless to any normal individual, but that's precisely the excitement and thrill seeking that visitors to a 'naughty dating site' might expect.

So, in answer to your statement, not all who engage in this behaviour are going to die, but like drug taking, some inevitably will.

bats Oct 21st 2016 5:41 am

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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12082304)
One assumes the members of the jury were reasonable people and, after hearing all of the evidence, they acquitted him. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but it won't change the outcome.

Indeed no. It's the whole beyond reasonable doubt thing and the judges instructions.

bats Oct 21st 2016 5:54 am

Re: Gable Tostee of Tinder
 

Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 12082462)
I'll open a small can of worms because I realise that the following argument has a few holes in it but...

If you define normality as that behaviour observed and followed by the majority of a species, then in this particular case, visiting a website that describes itself as a 'naughty dating site' and one that caters for niche behaviour will by definition be not normal.

When you have two individuals looking to behave abnormally then other social norms become of secondary importance and limitations on what might be considered acceptable behaviour do not exist.

Locking someone on a balcony high above ground level when they are drunk might seem reckless to any normal individual, but that's precisely the excitement and thrill seeking that visitors to a 'naughty dating site' might expect.

So, in answer to your statement, not all who engage in this behaviour are going to die, but like drug taking, some inevitably will.

Abnormally behaviour? What specifically do you consider abnormal?

dbd33 Oct 21st 2016 6:14 am

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Originally Posted by bats (Post 12082541)
Abnormally behaviour? What specifically do you consider abnormal?

A good question. I fear that, by the standard being applied, I have been an individual looking to behave abnormally. Indeed, I fear that I've been an individual looking forward eagerly to behaving abnormally. And I count myself Mr. Probity.

bats Oct 21st 2016 8:01 am

Re: Gable Tostee of Tinder
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12082559)
A good question. I fear that, by the standard being applied, I have been an individual looking to behave abnormally. Indeed, I fear that I've been an individual looking forward eagerly to behaving abnormally. And I count myself Mr. Probity.

Hmm yes. Probing.
But I don't think using Tinder makes someone abnormal but does it have subsets for those seeking abnormal fun rather than some standard casual sex?

Almost Canadian Oct 21st 2016 9:05 am

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Originally Posted by bats (Post 12082526)
Indeed no. It's the whole beyond reasonable doubt thing and the judges instructions.

More likely it's a result of the evidence presented. There is a reason why the items that you referred to are not allowed to be presented at trial. The same reason why a complainant's sexual history is not presented in sexual assault cases.


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