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Shard Oct 14th 2016 11:52 pm
Gable Tostee of Tinder
 
An unfortunate series of events...

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...e-charged-with

It sounds like, at worst, manslaughter rather than murder, but not even sure of that...

Why was the cell phone recorder set to record?

Tangram Oct 15th 2016 8:55 am
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Interesting one.

bats Oct 15th 2016 9:00 am
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Then he went for a walk and had a slice of pizza before calling his father.

scrubbedexpat091 Oct 15th 2016 9:40 am
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Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12077388)
An unfortunate series of events...

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...e-charged-with

It sounds like, at worst, manslaughter rather than murder, but not even sure of that...

Why was the cell phone recorder set to record?
Her behavior was worrying him so he wanted evidence?

bats Oct 15th 2016 11:41 am
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12077703)
Her behavior was worrying him so he wanted evidence?

No he set it when they arrived at his place.

Siouxie Oct 15th 2016 6:16 pm
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Originally Posted by bats (Post 12077775)
No he set it when they arrived at his place.
Actually, according to the article posted, it wasn't set to record until 1am - after they had spent time in bed and then gone out onto the balcony to take selfies. He switched it on on their return inside.

bats Oct 16th 2016 8:45 am
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Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12077894)
Actually, according to the article posted, it wasn't set to record until 1am - after they had spent time in bed and then gone out onto the balcony to take selfies. He switched it on on their return inside.
Ah, I thought it was when they had got back to the apartment.

He sounds a very unpleasant man. Still using Tinder after she had died. Posting on body builders forums about his sex exploits, calling women "sloots"

This article gives more info. Gable Tostee murder trial: 'Thank goodness he did press record on his app at 12.55' - National - NZ Herald News

beckiwoo Oct 16th 2016 11:10 am
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Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12077894)
Actually, according to the article posted, it wasn't set to record until 1am - after they had spent time in bed and then gone out onto the balcony to take selfies. He switched it on on their return inside.
Was it their first meeting through tinder?

He sounds revolting and a typical Tinder guy looking to add notches on the bedpost. He threatened to knock her out.

She shouldn't have gone back with him if she didn't know him that well but I'm guessing it was a one night stand and that was it.

bats Oct 16th 2016 11:39 am
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Originally Posted by beckiwoo (Post 12078436)
Was it their first meeting through tinder?

He sounds revolting and a typical Tinder guy looking to add notches on the bedpost. He threatened to knock her out.

She shouldn't have gone back with him if she didn't know him that well but I'm guessing it was a one night stand and that was it.
He should have let her leave, or have her phone.

Shard Oct 16th 2016 12:40 pm
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It's odd that he doesn't seem to have testified in court as to what happened.

Bermudashorts Oct 18th 2016 7:58 pm
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Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12077388)
An unfortunate series of events...

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...e-charged-with

It sounds like, at worst, manslaughter rather than murder, but not even sure of that...

Why was the cell phone recorder set to record?
I think neither. From everyone I have read, which appears to be backed up by his recordings, she was a very strange girl that kept attacking him. He should have told her to leave not put her on the balcony of course. I tend to think she decided to try and climb down to the balcony below because she wasn't thinking clearly because of the alcohol. I don't think she was in immediate danger from him. It didn't need to come to this.

MillieF Oct 18th 2016 9:56 pm
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Really sad for both of them, one lost her life and the other will have his life defined by it. Balconies and alcohol just don't mix. Had he lived on the ground floor this would never have happened. In my misspent youth thank God we didn't have Tinder, but I can certainly relate to best forgotten nights where alcohol and lack of sense could have had horrible endings.

What a shame he didn't just shove her out the front door. They neither of them sound like delightful individuals.

teza Oct 19th 2016 12:14 am
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Originally Posted by Bermudashorts (Post 12080300)
I think neither. From everyone I have read, which appears to be backed up by his recordings, she was a very strange girl that kept attacking him. He should have told her to leave not put her on the balcony of course. I tend to think she decided to try and climb down to the balcony below because she wasn't thinking clearly because of the alcohol. I don't think she was in immediate danger from him. It didn't need to come to this.
Agreed. Why do you travel to a strange country and hook up on Tinder without knowing your surroundings anyway?

Shard Oct 19th 2016 2:28 am
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Originally Posted by Bermudashorts (Post 12080300)
I think neither. From everyone I have read, which appears to be backed up by his recordings, she was a very strange girl that kept attacking him. He should have told her to leave not put her on the balcony of course. I tend to think she decided to try and climb down to the balcony below because she wasn't thinking clearly because of the alcohol. I don't think she was in immediate danger from him. It didn't need to come to this.
Agreed. Very unfortunate for both. If he had let her depart, and she had been assaulted, he would have been criticised for not looking after her. I think the alcohol badly clouded her judgement.

bats Oct 19th 2016 4:27 am
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Why blame her for using Tinder?

The recording sounded as if he was trying to throttle her to restrain her which seems rather excessive give the difference in sizes and strengths. All he had to do was pick her up and put her outside.

Yesterday I read that the jury couldn't reach a decision, I'll see what I can find today.

Bermudashorts Oct 19th 2016 5:36 am
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Originally Posted by bats (Post 12080691)
Why blame her for using Tinder?

The recording sounded as if he was trying to throttle her to restrain her which seems rather excessive give the difference in sizes and strengths. All he had to do was pick her up and put her outside.

Yesterday I read that the jury couldn't reach a decision, I'll see what I can find today.
I don't get that. I read that she was mainly the attacker of him. He told her to leave but she just started attacking him again. Yes he should have ultimately used his superior strength to throw her out the door not throw her onto the balcony, but perhaps the balcony was more accessible, I don't know.

I have not listened to the transcript as I don't believe it is available, but I have read that he was almost gentlemanly in the face of her abuse.

Siouxie Oct 19th 2016 6:05 am
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Originally Posted by Bermudashorts (Post 12080752)
I don't get that. I read that she was mainly the attacker of him. He told her to leave but she just started attacking him again. Yes he should have ultimately used his superior strength to throw her out the door not throw her onto the balcony, but perhaps the balcony was more accessible, I don't know.

I have not listened to the transcript as I don't believe it is available, but I have read that he was almost gentlemanly in the face of her abuse.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=recor...tostee&tbm=vid

beckiwoo Oct 19th 2016 4:10 pm
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Originally Posted by bats (Post 12080691)
Why blame her for using Tinder?
No one is blaming her for using Tinder, you just have to be careful if you are going back with someone you don't know.

bats Oct 19th 2016 4:51 pm
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Originally Posted by beckiwoo (Post 12081094)
No one is blaming her for using Tinder, you just have to be careful if you are going back with someone you don't know.
You do when you know them too. To me this sounds rather like too short a skirt is asking for it. This man sounds awful, I've been googling and it seems he gave her his home distilled vodka to drink. Then when she was saying she was out of her head drunk he gave her more.
No doubt more will come out once the verdict is given. I can't imagine it would be murder.

cappuccino Oct 19th 2016 5:51 pm
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Verdict in: NOT GUILTY

Bermudashorts Oct 19th 2016 6:45 pm
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Originally Posted by cappuccino (Post 12081128)
Verdict in: NOT GUILTY
That is the correct outcome. It was a terrible, alcohol induced accident.

Dorothy Oct 19th 2016 7:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Bermudashorts (Post 12081154)
That is the correct outcome. It was a terrible, alcohol induced accident.
Agreed. As tragic as her death is, I don't believe it was anything more than an accident.

teza Oct 19th 2016 11:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Bermudashorts (Post 12081154)
That is the correct outcome. It was a terrible, alcohol induced accident.
Thought so too until I read what wasn't told at court. I'm thinking worse will come and one day there will be the all too familiar aussie cry, " why didn't someone intervene?"

Gable Tostee verdict: What the jury who acquitted him wasn’t told

beckiwoo Oct 20th 2016 2:41 am
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Originally Posted by bats (Post 12081106)
You do when you know them too.
but...more so when you only know them from a photo online!

beckiwoo Oct 20th 2016 2:44 am
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Originally Posted by Bermudashorts (Post 12081154)
That is the correct outcome. It was a terrible, alcohol induced accident.
Although he didnt push her off. I dont think he was completely blameless.

bats Oct 20th 2016 2:47 am
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Originally Posted by Bermudashorts (Post 12081154)
That is the correct outcome. It was a terrible, alcohol induced accident.
He was found not guilty but only after long deliberation. I'd have said manslaughter myself. He sounds a totally despicable character who should take some responsibility for his part in this.

beckiwoo Oct 20th 2016 2:50 am
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Originally Posted by bats (Post 12081503)
He sounds a totally despicable character who should take some responsibility for his part in this.
He one of those jock types that thinks he's good looking and obviously has money I guess. - Didn't he have a tanning bed on his balcony on one of the pictures?

Almost Canadian Oct 20th 2016 3:37 am
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Originally Posted by bats (Post 12081503)
He was found not guilty but only after long deliberation. I'd have said manslaughter myself. He sounds a totally despicable character who should take some responsibility for his part in this.
Why manslaughter (English or Canadian)?

Shard Oct 20th 2016 3:42 am
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Originally Posted by teza (Post 12081325)
Thought so too until I read what wasn't told at court. I'm thinking worse will come and one day there will be the all too familiar aussie cry, " why didn't someone intervene?"

Gable Tostee verdict: What the jury who acquitted him wasn’t told
That certainly paints him in a different light.

dave_j Oct 20th 2016 4:32 am
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Incidents like this are accidents waiting to happen...

Birds of a feather....

dbd33 Oct 20th 2016 4:46 am
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Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 12081615)
Incidents like this are accidents waiting to happen...

Birds of a feather....
Well, yes, people who drink alcohol and people who have sex are all going to die.

Bermudashorts Oct 20th 2016 5:19 am
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Originally Posted by beckiwoo (Post 12081501)
Although he didnt push her off. I dont think he was completely blameless.
Originally Posted by bats (Post 12081503)
He was found not guilty but only after long deliberation. I'd have said manslaughter myself. He sounds a totally despicable character who should take some responsibility for his part in this.
He was being tried for murder and manslaughter. He did not push her either deliberately or accidentally, she fell when he presented no immediate threat being on the other side of a locked door. Her alcohol level would have had much to do with the irrational decision to climb over a balcony.

He cannot be found guilty of murder or manslaughter just because he is an unpleasant young man.

bats Oct 20th 2016 10:47 am
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Originally Posted by Bermudashorts (Post 12081668)
He was being tried for murder and manslaughter. He did not push her either deliberately or accidentally, she fell when he presented no immediate threat being on the other side of a locked door. Her alcohol level would have had much to do with the irrational decision to climb over a balcony.

He cannot be found guilty of murder or manslaughter just because he is an unpleasant young man.
Asthenosphere articles I've read say he threatened to throw her off off the balcony, by the sounds on the tape he'd probably tried to throttle her, she was screaming "let me go" over and over. She was drunk. A reasonable person would think that putting her out on the balcony might be dangerous for her. He had other choices, ie putting her in the bedroom and not going in there with her, putting her outside, but he chose the balcony.

I think he was responsible.

beckiwoo Oct 20th 2016 1:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Bermudashorts (Post 12081668)

He cannot be found guilty of murder or manslaughter just because he is an unpleasant young man.
He threatened to knock her out didn't he - I call that unpleasant!

Oink Oct 20th 2016 1:20 pm
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I doubt it would be a great loss to humanity if they both had of gone over the railing.

Dorothy Oct 20th 2016 3:21 pm
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Originally Posted by beckiwoo (Post 12081977)
He threatened to knock her out didn't he - I call that unpleasant!
Unpleasant doesn't necessarily mean murderer.

Bermudashorts Oct 20th 2016 8:40 pm
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Originally Posted by beckiwoo (Post 12081977)
He threatened to knock her out didn't he - I call that unpleasant!
And she was throwing rocks at him, hitting him and she attacked him with a telescope. I said he was unpleasant, however he was not on trial for being unpleasant. He was on trial for murder and manslaughter and he did not do either of those things.

I think prisons would be very full if we were all sent there for shouting "I'm going to kill you" or the like whilst angry.

Almost Canadian Oct 21st 2016 1:42 am
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Originally Posted by bats (Post 12081894)
Asthenosphere articles I've read say he threatened to throw her off off the balcony, by the sounds on the tape he'd probably tried to throttle her, she was screaming "let me go" over and over. She was drunk. A reasonable person would think that putting her out on the balcony might be dangerous for her. He had other choices, ie putting her in the bedroom and not going in there with her, putting her outside, but he chose the balcony.

I think he was responsible.
One assumes the members of the jury were reasonable people and, after hearing all of the evidence, they acquitted him. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but it won't change the outcome.

beckiwoo Oct 21st 2016 3:48 am
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Originally Posted by Dorothy (Post 12082007)
Unpleasant doesn't necessarily mean murderer.
Did I mention the word 'murderer' in any of my posts?

I just hope other women in the Gold Coast area are aware of him now and swipe left when they get to his profile on tinder!

dave_j Oct 21st 2016 4:21 am
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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12081634)
Well, yes, people who drink alcohol and people who have sex are all going to die.
I'll open a small can of worms because I realise that the following argument has a few holes in it but...

If you define normality as that behaviour observed and followed by the majority of a species, then in this particular case, visiting a website that describes itself as a 'naughty dating site' and one that caters for niche behaviour will by definition be not normal.

When you have two individuals looking to behave abnormally then other social norms become of secondary importance and limitations on what might be considered acceptable behaviour do not exist.

Locking someone on a balcony high above ground level when they are drunk might seem reckless to any normal individual, but that's precisely the excitement and thrill seeking that visitors to a 'naughty dating site' might expect.

So, in answer to your statement, not all who engage in this behaviour are going to die, but like drug taking, some inevitably will.


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