This is frightening
Feb 27th 2010, 1:39 am
#166
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Re: This is frightening
Just wanted to point out that everyone's experience of NI is different. I used to find it odd when I moved to Toronto and people would be so sympathetic towards me because I grew up in this apparently awful place, I can't blame people for thinking that when all they have to go on are News reports and the scary stuff always makes a better story to tell.
Yeah I guess so, I'm glad yours was ok Elaine.
Feb 27th 2010, 1:40 am
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Re: This is frightening
Elaine, with all, due respect what age are you, where you there as I was at age 15/16 when a curfew was imposed and everyone had to be home by 7pm othewise be shot? now \i was a teenager wanting to go to dances, clubs, pubs, if you don't remember please ask your mother, nights when my husband came home from work, were he had to turn his headlights out at checkpoints, soilders with blackened faces? do you remember that? my husband was afraid to open the front door when it was knocked as the IRA were just shooting people did'nt matter who they were, and the soldiers did some stuff as well
yikes, those are the kind of things I heard about...
Feb 27th 2010, 1:47 am
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Re: This is frightening
Elaine, with all, due respect what age are you, where you there as I was at age 15/16 when a curfew was imposed and everyone had to be home by 7pm othewise be shot? now \i was a teenager wanting to go to dances, clubs, pubs, if you don't remember please ask your mother, nights when my husband came home from work, were he had to turn his headlights out at checkpoints, soilders with blackened faces? do you remember that? my husband was afraid to open the front door when it was knocked as the IRA were just shooting people did'nt matter who they were, and the soldiers did some stuff as well, do you remember any of it, because if not with all due respect you havent a clue OK
Oh, and make your mind up. Was the curfew 6pm or 7pm? You seem confused as to which is the correct time. Must be old age.
And there you go with your racism. Terrible!
Anyway, i thought you were going?
Feb 27th 2010, 1:48 am
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Re: This is frightening
As I've already said I was doing my job in an unbiased way.
Look at the figures and tell me that the troops who were sent to protect the catholics originally did not suffer and die at the hands of the catholic extremists.
I am not a bigot, purely stating the facts about a terrible situation. I still don't know what I am supposed to have done to you personally.
I served my tours in Northern Ireland, as a catholic, to try to stop the death and suffering of others, by trying to stem the activities of extremists on both sides of the divide.
This thread was started with a video (albeit doctored) of a moslem politican and people were commenting on this. You then stated that you agreed with freedom of speech, but are against it for the moslem extremists.
This is exactly what was felt by the majority of people in Great Britain when the religious extremists in Northern Irelend were spouting the exact same venom. Don't forget the innocents on the mainland killed and wounded by these extremists who had nothing to do with this internal conflict.
I sincerely hope that the situation in Great Britain does not expand to the same state as was in Northern Ireland during the times of the conflict, caused by these extremist leaders or spokesmen.
As for Afghanistan, the troops there from a number of countries are there not to fight people on religious grounds, purely to stop extremists from causing further death and suffering to peoples around the world, as well as to help the people of Afghanistan take back control of their own country through peacefull and political means.
I don't see why you are comparing Afghanistan to Northern Ireland, totally different situations.
Look at the figures and tell me that the troops who were sent to protect the catholics originally did not suffer and die at the hands of the catholic extremists.
I am not a bigot, purely stating the facts about a terrible situation. I still don't know what I am supposed to have done to you personally.
I served my tours in Northern Ireland, as a catholic, to try to stop the death and suffering of others, by trying to stem the activities of extremists on both sides of the divide.
This thread was started with a video (albeit doctored) of a moslem politican and people were commenting on this. You then stated that you agreed with freedom of speech, but are against it for the moslem extremists.
This is exactly what was felt by the majority of people in Great Britain when the religious extremists in Northern Irelend were spouting the exact same venom. Don't forget the innocents on the mainland killed and wounded by these extremists who had nothing to do with this internal conflict.
I sincerely hope that the situation in Great Britain does not expand to the same state as was in Northern Ireland during the times of the conflict, caused by these extremist leaders or spokesmen.
As for Afghanistan, the troops there from a number of countries are there not to fight people on religious grounds, purely to stop extremists from causing further death and suffering to peoples around the world, as well as to help the people of Afghanistan take back control of their own country through peacefull and political means.
I don't see why you are comparing Afghanistan to Northern Ireland, totally different situations.
Feb 27th 2010, 1:50 am
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Re: This is frightening
Elaine, with all, due respect what age are you, where you there as I was at age 15/16 when a curfew was imposed and everyone had to be home by 7pm othewise be shot? now \i was a teenager wanting to go to dances, clubs, pubs, if you don't remember please ask your mother, nights when my husband came home from work, were he had to turn his headlights out at checkpoints, soilders with blackened faces? do you remember that? my husband was afraid to open the front door when it was knocked as the IRA were just shooting people did'nt matter who they were, and the soldiers did some stuff as well, do you remember any of it, because if not with all due respect you havent a clue OK
Feb 27th 2010, 1:53 am
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Re: This is frightening
So what? I blame your parents for keeping you in a potentially deadly environment, and then yourself for remaining in the deadly environment.
Oh, and make your mind up. Was the curfew 6pm or 7pm? You seem confused as to which is the correct time. Must be old age.
And there you go with your racism. Terrible!
Anyway, i thought you were going?
Oh, and make your mind up. Was the curfew 6pm or 7pm? You seem confused as to which is the correct time. Must be old age.
And there you go with your racism. Terrible!
Anyway, i thought you were going?
Last edited by Sue; Feb 27th 2010 at 2:01 am. Reason: You've been asked before. Stop the name calling please.
Feb 27th 2010, 1:58 am
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Re: This is frightening
a baby, had'nt a clue about the realy bad times, ask your parents, see what they say, it was a war zone in the early 70's I was there lived through it, it's onlky when you start talking about it you remember the really bad times, and yes thank god they are behind us now and hopefully we will have a much better future for our kids, we actually have kids now who do not remember the troubles, that in itself is a great thing long may it last.....
Feb 27th 2010, 1:58 am
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Re: This is frightening
Elaine, with all, due respect what age are you, where you there as I was at age 15/16 when a curfew was imposed and everyone had to be home by 7pm othewise be shot? now \i was a teenager wanting to go to dances, clubs, pubs, if you don't remember please ask your mother, nights when my husband came home from work, were he had to turn his headlights out at checkpoints, soilders with blackened faces? do you remember that? my husband was afraid to open the front door when it was knocked as the IRA were just shooting people did'nt matter who they were, and the soldiers did some stuff as well, do you remember any of it, because if not with all due respect you havent a clue OK
You accuse me of being a bigot for stating that catholics were responsible for the deaths and woundings of troops and innocents, and you blatantly state that your husband was afraid to open the door because the IRA were shooting people.
Let me think, (sarcasm mode engaged) IRA, now were they protestant, muslim, hindu, islamic fundamentalists, buddhists, oh no they were the catholics that I referred to.
Don't forget the acts carried out by the other side as well, UVF,UDA although they didn't target the troops. Also PIRA and INLA on the catholic side, can't just blame the IRA, that would be bigotted now wouldn't it, that's why I never singled out one organisations as you did.
Please feel free to print out the comments from this and your contributions to other threads to show others, but please ensure that you include ALL of your posts to give them an honest view.
On another note, would you stand in the glare of the headlights of a vehicle in the dark without some sort of camouflage, making you the biggest target for some extremist? This is standard procedure for a roadblock wherever, whenever in the hours from dusk til dawn. Don't forget the troops manning those roadblocks as well as carrying out other duties were there for your protection, to try and stop the IRA from shooting your husband when he opened the door.
Make your mind up or just shuffle off to your corner.
I'm not going to waste any more time on your conflicting drivel. Have a nice life wherever you end up.
Please feel free to flounce if I've upset you so much with my facts and honesty, you will not be missed.
For those who only have views on the situation from news reports etc, please remember that there was so much going on at the time that only the worst was reported, same as any major news story.
People start to get fatigued of the same news day after day, plus too much media coverage was only advertising for the extremists after all.
Plus certain information could not be released due to operational need.
That's also why the British press is subject to D notices.
Enough said.
Last edited by Trophy; Feb 27th 2010 at 2:02 am. Reason: extra info
Feb 27th 2010, 2:07 am
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Re: This is frightening
It's ok dear. Firstly, let me help you with your errors.
Secondly, note the following. When you fail to follow your own beliefs, how can anything you say be trusted? I feel let down by you.
Thirdly, noting the following comment from your debate teaming years, YOU are weak
Fourth and finally, what would i have you do?
1, I couldn't give a monkey's about you or you life to date, because you're nobody to me.
2, If a "war zone" cemented itself in or around where i was living and it affected me as much as it clearly affected you, i would make sure myself and my family were safe and would remove ourselves from the situation. If not, and if we survived, i'd fear in many years to come the bitterness will retain its hold on me, overflowing my emotions at random intervals during situations that would not normally warrant it.
And may i say, this is the best, longest, and most psychotic flounce i've ever seen on here. For that i applaud you. 
1, I couldn't give a monkey's about you or you life to date, because you're nobody to me.
2, If a "war zone" cemented itself in or around where i was living and it affected me as much as it clearly affected you, i would make sure myself and my family were safe and would remove ourselves from the situation. If not, and if we survived, i'd fear in many years to come the bitterness will retain its hold on me, overflowing my emotions at random intervals during situations that would not normally warrant it.
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Feb 27th 2010, 2:19 am
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Re: This is frightening
Just wanted to point out that everyone's experience of NI is different. I used to find it odd when I moved to Toronto and people would be so sympathetic towards me because I grew up in this apparently awful place, I can't blame people for thinking that when all they have to go on are News reports and the scary stuff always makes a better story to tell.
Feb 27th 2010, 2:31 am
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Re: This is frightening
northern Ireland started to get "Better" at the later part of the 70's , by that I mean, people were not getting shot just for being one or the other, I remember going into town with my mother and husband, she wanted wallpaper, I was "nine" months preganant at the time, you were not allowed to leave cars unoccupied at the time as bombs were going off everywhere, so I sat in the car awhile my husband and mother went to get the wallpaper all of a sudden the massive esplosion went.off I had never heard anything like it before, I was 19, and something came flying through the air and missed our car by inches, I was frozen to the spot, and people came running from everywhere to get me out of the car, you know nobody cared what religon I was and I certainly did'nt care either, to this day I am grateful to them just for getting me and my little girl away from it all. I could tell so many stories, one of a pregnant woman being shot going for her check up, to the hospital thank god the baby survived. sorry I honestly do not think of these things anymore untill something like this comes up, and it is hard yes I suppose we are all scarred, but we push it to the back of our minds, you know we were all tarred with the one brush and that is not fair.....
Having read through your posts, i really think you should talk to a professional. If your emotions flow through your writing, you are not in a mentally comfortable place.
