Flu shots.
Oct 18th 2013, 9:08 pm
#16
Magnificently Withering
Joined: Jan 2007
Location: Oakville, ON
Posts: 6,892
Re: Flu shots.
this homeopathic nonsense is hilarious.
From the same "homeopathy store" website is this little gem:
So, conversely, 10% of patients taking this supposed preventative actually got flu? Considering the CDC statistics declare that the annual incidence of influenza infection varies between 5% and 20% of population, I'd say that's pretty conclusive evidence that the homeopathic preventative has, on average, no effect whatsoever.
Not to mention the appalling grammar...
From the same "homeopathy store" website is this little gem:
Clinical Trials of Influenzinum
The effectiveness of Influenzinum has been demonstrated by several clinical studies. A survey of 23 homeopathic doctors and 453 patients in France from 1987 to 1998 showed that in 90% of all cases, no flu occurred when Influenzinum was taken preventively for ages 2 and older. A second study with 100 patients observed that when taken during two consecutive winter seasons, the effectiveness of Influenzinum increased even higher.
The effectiveness of Influenzinum has been demonstrated by several clinical studies. A survey of 23 homeopathic doctors and 453 patients in France from 1987 to 1998 showed that in 90% of all cases, no flu occurred when Influenzinum was taken preventively for ages 2 and older. A second study with 100 patients observed that when taken during two consecutive winter seasons, the effectiveness of Influenzinum increased even higher.
Not to mention the appalling grammar...
Oct 18th 2013, 9:10 pm
#17
Finding my Canadian Feet
Joined: Jul 2013
Location: Kanata, Ottawa, ON
Posts: 249
Re: Flu shots.
But you must do what you feel is right for you - there are naysayers all over the place - those who say the jabs are mumbo jumbo and those that say naturopathy (or homeopathy - though there is a difference) is mumbojumbo. Ultimately you gotta do what you gotta do so that you feel human.
As you can see above there are those that have gotten the jabs and believe in them, and those, like me, who've seen it do nothing so question its validity.
I do believe that if you listen to your gut instinct it'll tell you what you want to do
Either way I really hope you get well soon, continued illness is just so exhausting and frustrating.
Oct 18th 2013, 9:13 pm
#18
limey party pooper
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 9,982
Re: Flu shots.
No. Really not.
I suspect Leith has become confused by the paragraph on this page or somewhere similar, that states
That's disingenuous to the point of almost being criminal. "A respected organization recommends action A. We want to sell you some mumbo-jumbo, and by associating ourselves with the respected organization by dropping their name, we want to give our mumbo-jumbo a veil of authenticity."
I suspect Leith has become confused by the paragraph on this page or somewhere similar, that states
That's disingenuous to the point of almost being criminal. "A respected organization recommends action A. We want to sell you some mumbo-jumbo, and by associating ourselves with the respected organization by dropping their name, we want to give our mumbo-jumbo a veil of authenticity."
Oct 18th 2013, 9:17 pm
#19
limey party pooper
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 9,982
Re: Flu shots.
Trust your instincts - you know what your body needs. A good naturopath isn't just about echinacea, or oregano oil, or whatever is the "in" natural remedy - they do look at homeopathic remedies yes, but they look at your whole body and history and come up with more than just an over the counter solution.
But you must do what you feel is right for you - there are naysayers all over the place - those who say the jabs are mumbo jumbo and those that say naturopathy (or homeopathy - though there is a difference) is mumbojumbo. Ultimately you gotta do what you gotta do so that you feel human.
T
As you can see above there are those that have gotten the jabs and believe in them, and those, like me, who've seen it do nothing so question its validity.
I do believe that if you listen to your gut instinct it'll tell you what you want to do Either way I really hope you get well soon, continued illness is just so exhausting and frustrating.
But you must do what you feel is right for you - there are naysayers all over the place - those who say the jabs are mumbo jumbo and those that say naturopathy (or homeopathy - though there is a difference) is mumbojumbo. Ultimately you gotta do what you gotta do so that you feel human.
T
As you can see above there are those that have gotten the jabs and believe in them, and those, like me, who've seen it do nothing so question its validity.
I do believe that if you listen to your gut instinct it'll tell you what you want to do
Either way I really hope you get well soon, continued illness is just so exhausting and frustrating.
Oct 18th 2013, 9:20 pm
#20
Born again atheist
Joined: Jul 2005
Location: Europe (to be specified).
Posts: 30,259
Re: Flu shots.
Trust your instincts - you know what your body needs. A good naturopath isn't just about echinacea, or oregano oil, or whatever is the "in" natural remedy - they do look at homeopathic remedies yes, but they look at your whole body and history and come up with more than just an over the counter solution.
Charlatan thieves flogging snake oil. Oh, wait, water that once used to contain a molecule of snake oil. Maybe.
Oct 18th 2013, 9:23 pm
#21
Muskoka, Ontario
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 3,045
Re: Flu shots.
Last edited by Tirytory; Oct 18th 2013 at 9:25 pm.
Oct 18th 2013, 9:24 pm
#22
Muskoka, Ontario
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 3,045
Re: Flu shots.
To be fair, I'm so pro vaccination that I don't need much convincing!!
Oct 18th 2013, 9:27 pm
#23
Account Closed
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 0
Re: Flu shots.
I got a flu shot once in 2010 when my employer paid for it, didn't have any issues with it, didn't get the flu, but then again I haven't had the flu in over a decade, no kids, nothing puts me into a high risk category, so I don't get generally.
I'd trust the flu shot over any so called natural remedy or homeopathic stuff with no real science behind them.
I'd trust the flu shot over any so called natural remedy or homeopathic stuff with no real science behind them.
Oct 18th 2013, 9:31 pm
#24
Oscar nominated
Joined: Jan 2008
Location: Moncton, NB, CANADA
Posts: 51,009
Re: Flu shots.
I'm diabetic, so's Mrs BristolUK. She also has a whole host of other things and is treated with Remicade that affects her immune system.
It's recommended that we all get it. We do.
Oct 18th 2013, 9:37 pm
#25
Concierge
Joined: May 2006
Location: ex ex-pat, in Taunton
Posts: 27,242
Re: Flu shots.
Please can you share your experiences of having a flu shot. I have had nasty bouts of flu several times last year and this year. Now the doctor has recommended I have a flu shot and a pneumonia vaccination. About eleven years ago I came down with pneumonia and needed hospitalisation. The doctor says I will be protected for ten years with the pneumonia vaccination but will need a yearly flu shot. He feels that I fall into a high risk category because I work with children in an educational settings.
What are your thoughts on both these jabs. I am quite worried about my health and I need to hear your responses on whether the flu jab helped regarding how severe a flu infection you came down with and is it a good idea.
Thank you all.
regards
Ruby
What are your thoughts on both these jabs. I am quite worried about my health and I need to hear your responses on whether the flu jab helped regarding how severe a flu infection you came down with and is it a good idea.
Thank you all.
regards
Ruby
Oct 19th 2013, 12:31 am
#26
Joined: Feb 2006
Location: Red Deer, Alberta
Posts: 10,612
Re: Flu shots.
The first year we were here I had an awful cold, might even have been flu, it was that bad, couldn't out of bed etc, so the following year I took advantage of the subsidized flu shot from work and haven't got round to getting one since and probably won't this year, I've not been ill with a cold or flu since the first year aside from a few sniffles now and then BUT I have had laryngitis twice since living here.
Oct 19th 2013, 1:41 am
#27
Scottish Canuck
Joined: Aug 2006
Location: Auld Scotia > Nova Scotia > Calgary
Posts: 3,703
Re: Flu shots.
Since moving to canada I got my flu shot for the past 6 winters with no ill effects.
2 years ago I began taking daily vitamin D and haven't even caught a cold and feel like I have more energy over the dark winter days. Vitamin D has the added benefit of helping with Calcium absorption which is great news for me.
2 years ago I began taking daily vitamin D and haven't even caught a cold and feel like I have more energy over the dark winter days. Vitamin D has the added benefit of helping with Calcium absorption which is great news for me.
Oct 19th 2013, 7:06 am
#28
Concierge
Joined: May 2006
Location: ex ex-pat, in Taunton
Posts: 27,242
Re: Flu shots.
I should have said that the jab is free for certain people, those over 65 and those in certain occupations, such as the NHS. Most of the pharmacies currently have posters in their windows offering the flu jab at a price, ASDA have them for £7.
Oct 19th 2013, 1:00 pm
#29
Finding my Canadian Feet
Joined: Jul 2013
Location: Kanata, Ottawa, ON
Posts: 249
Re: Flu shots.
I agree with your last sentence but the rest is just dangerous rubbish. How can you say you have seen the flu shot do nothing when the incidence of flu in an immunised bpopulation is vastly reduced. Others having the shot protects you as well though no doubt you put this down to your taking diluted pus.
I'm merely pointing out an observation I have made that I know people who have had the flu shot and still gotten the flu - that's what I meant by seeing it have no effect. Yes, the shot has benefited alot of people - but equally it hasn't benefited alot of people. Statistically they cannot protect against all the strains but make a determined guess at which ones appear to be the most likely.
I'm also pointing out that I have seen people take naturopathic remedies and gotten better for it. My daughter is a good example - you can't cry placebo to a baby who wouldn't know the difference. That's what started me thinking about it.
And yes, Novo, some are charlatans - and equally some allopathic doctors are quacks. It's all about finding a health practitioner that you trust and if they get you better then you're likely to continue to trust them, yes?
And that's why I say trust your instincts for what is right for you - and when people throw insults and derogatory comments about alternative methods of treatment then all you do is perpetuate a fear culture where we hand over power over our bodies and mind to someone/thing other than ourselves.
Oct 19th 2013, 2:43 pm
#30
limey party pooper
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 9,982
Re: Flu shots.
Excuse me - at what point did I say that I took them? What an assumption. What I do personally is of nobody's concern or business ... I don't judge you for your choices and resent being judged for what you perceive are mine. You don't live my life. I am pro CHOICE in all things and try to get balanced information.
I'm merely pointing out an observation I have made that I know people who have had the flu shot and still gotten the flu - that's what I meant by seeing it have no effect. Yes, the shot has benefited alot of people - but equally it hasn't benefited alot of people. Statistically they cannot protect against all the strains but make a determined guess at which ones appear to be the most likely.
I'm also pointing out that I have seen people take naturopathic remedies and gotten better for it. My daughter is a good example - you can't cry placebo to a baby who wouldn't know the difference. That's what started me thinking about it.
And yes, Novo, some are charlatans - and equally some allopathic doctors are quacks. It's all about finding a health practitioner that you trust and if they get you better then you're likely to continue to trust them, yes?
And that's why I say trust your instincts for what is right for you - and when people throw insults and derogatory comments about alternative methods of treatment then all you do is perpetuate a fear culture where we hand over power over our bodies and mind to someone/thing other than ourselves.
I'm merely pointing out an observation I have made that I know people who have had the flu shot and still gotten the flu - that's what I meant by seeing it have no effect. Yes, the shot has benefited alot of people - but equally it hasn't benefited alot of people. Statistically they cannot protect against all the strains but make a determined guess at which ones appear to be the most likely.
I'm also pointing out that I have seen people take naturopathic remedies and gotten better for it. My daughter is a good example - you can't cry placebo to a baby who wouldn't know the difference. That's what started me thinking about it.
And yes, Novo, some are charlatans - and equally some allopathic doctors are quacks. It's all about finding a health practitioner that you trust and if they get you better then you're likely to continue to trust them, yes?
And that's why I say trust your instincts for what is right for you - and when people throw insults and derogatory comments about alternative methods of treatment then all you do is perpetuate a fear culture where we hand over power over our bodies and mind to someone/thing other than ourselves.
Evidence based practice shows that the flu shots work, statistics, peer reviewed papers, repeatable studies. All evidence.
People also say they havev had the flu when they haven't, they have been sick but it's usually a nasty cold, or pneumonia. You don't get the strain of flu that you you have been vaccinated against.
Where do you stand on other vaccines? Polio? Tetanus? MMR? Meningitis?