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Alan2005 Jan 3rd 2012 5:30 am

Re: First trip back to the UK - what a dump!
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 9818226)
My favourite term to describe the different "structures" of state post-primary education in the UK was that they were striving for "parity of esteem." A charming notion lifted almost directly from the US odious doctrine of legal racial segregated "separate but equal" schools.

I went to a secondary modern. I don't remember there being any "parity of esteem". We knew we were scum compared to the posh grammar school kids which is why I have an inverse snob chip on my shoulder.

MarylandNed Jan 3rd 2012 5:31 am

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Originally Posted by ctraveler (Post 9818097)
There are many things that I like about the UK, however I personally find that it was much better suited to my younger single self, rather than my older family self. I personally feel that Canada offers a much better environment for families and I have to put that first.

Same for me. If I was single (or at least had no kids) I think I might well be living in the UK now. However, with a large family, I need affordable housing, space and opportunities for the kids. On our income, the UK just didn't work out for us.


Originally Posted by ctraveler (Post 9818097)
There are many things I will miss when I leave the UK; Cheap travel and proximity to mainland Europe, the London nightlife (westend shows, exhibits, concerts), The Shopping (including the great markets and reasonably priced supermarkets), Cheap Car Insurance (but this balances out with Canada relative to all the other costs you are hit with), very inexpensive NHS prescription medication and inexpensive dentists, and living withing a short drive (relatively) of a coastline.

Agree.


Originally Posted by ctraveler (Post 9818097)
There are however many, many things that I will not miss; The crowds, the traffic (and the costs of running a car: petrol, congestion charging, parking permits, emissions linked road tax, etc), the crime, the cost and size of housing, the class system, the disaffected youth (I would rather have a docile pothead teenager then the drunken yobs hanging out at the park with knives in hoodies) and the dreary weather (I will take sunshine and -25'C any day over rainy dark depressing skies month after month).

Agree. The higher population density of the UK creates more competition for everything. The class system strangles social mobility. Totally agree about the depressing grey skies. When we first moved to Toronto, my wife and I found ourselves mesmerized by the blue skies. Having said that, the weather seems to be messed up everywhere due to climate change - we've just had a terrible year for rain here in Maryland.


Originally Posted by ctraveler (Post 9818097)
I think each person just needs to find what needs and wants suit them best from a country that they live in, however I also believe that adapting a little bit is important as well.

Agree. There are good and bad things about every country. Much is relative - i.e. the situation you escaped from in the old country and the situation you find yourself in in the new country will go a long way towards shaping your opinions.

BristolUK Jan 3rd 2012 5:32 am

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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 9817279)
Walkers crisps etc etc etc that all the expats seem to miss

Remember Morecambe & Wise doing their wine tasting sketch but with chips instead?

I wonder if anyone can really tell the difference tasting a British crisp and a North American potato chip. :unsure:

JamesM Jan 3rd 2012 5:36 am

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Originally Posted by el_richo (Post 9818304)
It is your fault that you allowed your partner to take advantage.

I don't know any other female professional in your situation or who has had your experiences above.

Funnily, my wife was talking about the differences she's experienced since being back in Canada. She says the male chauvinistic attitude where she works now is much more prevalent than previously in the UK (she works for the same company). Her earnings are on par with male colleagues, she's very respected (some would say feared), and she has been fast tracked up the "ladder" to the probable dismay of her chauvinistic male colleagues.

She had the same experience in the UK other than the chauvinism.

So as i said, it's you, not the country ;)

As long as I don't have to unload the dishwasher in my office and take down the Christmas decorations- then I am more than happy with the women in this office. As long as they are seen doing it and not heard.

Alan2005 Jan 3rd 2012 5:38 am

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 9818357)
Remember Morecambe & Wise doing their wine tasting sketch but with chips instead?

I wonder if anyone can really tell the difference tasting a British crisp and a North American potato chip. :unsure:

Back in the day I knew somebody that worked for frito lay - the owner of 'lays' (duh) and 'walkers' crisps.

Said person used to claim that the US potatoes were better quality than the UK ones, but that the US fryers used crappier oil. I don't know if this is true or not, but at the time I believed him.

dbd33 Jan 3rd 2012 5:40 am

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Originally Posted by YYZlover (Post 9818351)
Sorry, it wasn't my partner doing it. It was the men we went to for business meetings. My partner tried to include me a much as he possibly could. In the end I got so fed up with it that I didn't want to go to them.



Entertainment industry (take a pick).

Yes, I know, casting couch in Hollywood, the objectification of women in movies and even female musicians showing skin to sell albums, etc. It's not helping, but strangely there are more women climbing the corporate ladder in North America within that industry than here. At least that's how it is coming across to me.

The swedish film board hands out grants to directors each year. They are supposed to give 40% of the grants to female directors. Out of 16 directors given grants, 2 were women. The film board's reason is that female directors have it more difficult to find investments from the private sector such as venture capitalists and angels. Now, why would the VCs and Angels put money on the table if the film board won't? Get the same script with a male director and the money is there.

http://www.thestar.com/business/arti...ceos-in-canada

YYZlover Jan 3rd 2012 5:44 am

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Originally Posted by ireland2canada (Post 9818324)
I would suggest that you actually live in Canada for a while, then re-assess these comments.

I'm sure I will. But in all the travel I've done to it adding up to a total of over a year spent in days in the Canada, it comes across to me as a place far better for women in my industry.



Chauvanism is alive and well here, it exists just the same as all ugly attitudes exist. If you disagree with it, then don't accept it, don't give them an inch. I've lived in the UK, and I live in Canada, people can be shit everywhere.
Not arguing that. No country is perfect.


I fail to see how anyone can generalise the entire continents of North America and Europe,
Well, I worked in it from all the way down south to up above the arctic circle.

but I bow to your knowledge of your own industry.
Thank you. I was even born in to the industry so I grew up with it.

JamesM Jan 3rd 2012 5:48 am

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 9818372)

The pay gap between men and women is also greater in Canada- but what are facts compared to the experience of an individual on this forum.

YYZlover Jan 3rd 2012 5:49 am

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 9818372)

Wow, energy and utilities firm. Sooooo far away from entertainment.

Oink Jan 3rd 2012 5:53 am

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To be fair, the essence of most "Swedish entertainment" tends to objectify women.

YYZlover Jan 3rd 2012 5:53 am

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Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 9818389)
The pay gap between men and women is also greater in Canada- but what are facts compared to the experience of an individual on this forum.

while here, you need a bachelors degree, be no older than 25, have no kids, and 10 years working experience to even be considered.

Seriously, what part of "my industry" and "comes across to me" didn't you understand? I can only say what I have seen and heard and how I experience the differences. I am well open for being wrong.

But if everything is so horrible in Canada and everything is so great in UK and Europe according to all of you who LEFT UK and Europe, why don't you just up sticks and move back?

ireland2canada Jan 3rd 2012 5:53 am

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Originally Posted by YYZlover (Post 9818382)
bla

Very well then, you appear to know it all already. Best of luck.

BTW, should you ever find yourself in need of a reality check, in need of reminding that gender discrimination is alive and well, just have a good read of this forum. Plenty of sad cretins posting generous dollops of chauvanistic crap on a regular basis, and don't forget, they live in Canada.

dbd33 Jan 3rd 2012 5:54 am

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Originally Posted by YYZlover (Post 9818393)
Wow, energy and utilities firm. Sooooo far away from entertainment.

It would seem that none of the many women CEOs in the entertainment business in Canada even make it to the top 100 in terms of pay. Perhaps entertainment isn't very well paid.

YYZlover Jan 3rd 2012 5:55 am

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Originally Posted by Oink (Post 9818398)
To be fair, the essence of most "Swedish entertainment" tends to objectify women.

You do know that this country has produced more movies since "I am Yellow" in the late 60's? Not all Swedes are suicidal (as the Bergman movies would let you believe).

YYZlover Jan 3rd 2012 5:59 am

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Originally Posted by ireland2canada (Post 9818401)
Very well then, you appear to know it all already. Best of luck.

Never said I do and never said "bla" either. Don't think I used the word in any of my posts on here.


BTW, should you ever find yourself in need of a reality check, in need of reminding that gender discrimination is alive and well, just have a good read of this forum.
I've never said it isn't. I've only spoken out of my experience, how it's come across to me and what I've seen.


Plenty of sad cretins posting generous dollops of chauvanistic crap on a regular basis, and don't forget, they live in Canada.
And where do 90% (or more) of them come from, including yourself?

I rest my case.


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