Originally Posted by Oink (Post 9818447)

After the 1944 Education Act the UK which effectively introduced secondary education to the masses, the state/public system was divided into different types of schools; Grammar, Technical and Modern. And as noted above there was meant to a parity of status between the three types. Of course that was complete bollox which then necessitated the introduction of the comprehensive system under the Labour government of Wilson. Depending where you lived in the UK you might have gone to one of them.

Originally Posted by JonboyE (Post 9818517)

The year I went to secondary school was the first year they had comprehensive intake. The school I was sent to was a former grammar school and all the years above us were selected entry. It was made abundantly clear that we were not the quality of children the staff hoped or expected to teach.

That said, this was also the first year of co-ed intake. I think some of the staff who taught the more creative subjects were secretly welcoming the introduction of some rough.

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 9818493)

I'm not so far off that. I sat the 11+ and failed it and so went to the local secondary school, although it did change into a comprehensive a few years later. I left school with CSE's and one or two 'O' levels (that the so-called "brainy" kids had to stay after school to study). I remember that kids in the year after me did a 16+ exams which were the pre-cursor to GCSE's.

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 9818523)

Were they forced to take a pay-cut then?

Originally Posted by JonboyE (Post 9818517)

The year I went to secondary school was the first year they had comprehensive intake. The school I was sent to was a former grammar school and all the years above us were selected entry. It was made abundantly clear that we were not the quality of children the staff hoped or expected to teach.

That said, this was also the first year of co-ed intake. I think some of the staff who taught the more creative subjects were secretly welcoming the introduction of some rough.

Originally Posted by JonboyE (Post 9818544)

They seemed to evaluate themselves by educational outcomes:

10 points for a pupil that got into Oxbridge.
5 points for a decent red-brick.
2 points for something silly like the University of East Anglia
0 points for a polytechic or lower.

The introduction of us dumb oiks brought down their averages considerably.

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 9818560)

... Probably the same ones who bemoaned the loss of being able to assault a child ...

Originally Posted by JonboyE (Post 9818576)

They didn't stop that.

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 9818588)

They banned that in the late 80s.

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 9818594)

There are those who would argue that getting the cane or strap or whatever when they went to school was at least discipline and you soon learned how to behave in a certain teachers class.
Im not saying that children should be beaten in school but with what we see today Im sure a lot of us who are now parents ourselves at times think kids today need a dose of 6 of the best. I had my fair share of them and looking back fully deserved 99% of them.

Originally Posted by Tony-the-Tigger (Post 9815975)

This thing about building a bar in your basement, I don't get it. I remember the first time somebody invited me down to their "bar"! I though to myself, no thanks! I've seen silence of the lambs. Ok then, why don't we sit under my garage door? You're having a laugh aren't you! Alright then we'll go to to the local tavern. The lad I'm with asks for a separate tab because my pint costs 10cents more than his and the girl behind the bar wants an insane tip because she likes to wobble her chest back and forth!

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 9818594)

There are those who would argue that getting the cane or strap or whatever when they went to school was at least discipline and you soon learned how to behave in a certain teachers class.
Im not saying that children should be beaten in school but with what we see today Im sure a lot of us who are now parents ourselves at times think kids today need a dose of 6 of the best. I had my fair share of them and looking back fully deserved 99% of them.

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 9818608)

Trust me I've met many teachers, HID included, who can manage a classroom very effectively at all grades and with all social deomgraphics without having to resort to the use of physical violence or humiliation. Those who can't either need better training or they should leave education.

Originally Posted by YYZlover (Post 9818498)

Spot on. That's what I already do (recently slipped in to from the music industry) I am and want to study. I don't have 20 years to spend fighting my way in to the industry on a full time basis so I have opted to study it. And as a lot of hollywood productions go to Canada then, again - my opinion, the people who know how to do the job properly would be in Canada. I have actually looked at schools here but they can't hold a candle to what I can learn in Canada.

I could consider going in to directing but I'm a realist and I don't think breaking in to that scene at the age of 46 is plausible. I do think my years in touring, problem solving, production assistant can be of use and are transferable skills. I still want an education though.