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milly_m Dec 18th 2018 1:34 am

First Christmas!
 
So we've been in Vancouver for almost 6 months and next week it'll be our first Christmas here! It's just me and my hubby and the first time we haven't spent Christmas with extended family. I'm actually looking forward to it, but I think it will be a bit strange!

I'm just curious what other people did their first Christmas here? Are there particular traditions you discovered? Any tips for a Canadian Xmas to remember?

BristolUK Dec 18th 2018 2:25 am

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My mum came over from England and the in-laws from Montreal for our first, then just the in-laws the next couple of times so other than being in Canada it wasn't hugely different. And snowy of course.

My Canadian family did present giving on xmas eve and no special meal as such. We've mixed things up a bit now...a bit of theirs and a bit of mine.

Take a walk or drive around your neighbourhood when it's dark and enjoy looking at the decorated houses. Some overdo it, but it's just nice to see glowing lights. :nod:

scrubbedexpat134 Dec 18th 2018 2:37 am

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Ice Fishing on boxing morning to get rid of the excesses of xmas day.

AlliF Dec 18th 2018 4:53 am

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There was an article/survey that rated Canada as the most Christmassy country in the world (UK and US came in at about 18th and 19th I think) so just embrace the craziness, no point fighting it lol
They make a really big deal about prepping cooked breakfast for some reason in Winnipeg (google wife saver breakfast casserole),and are obsessed with perogies and cabbage rolls.
Canadians are the worst time keepers ever (in fact it is almost rude to be on time!) we arranged a Christmas dinner for friends the first year we were here - said Christmas dinner was at 3pm and people only started turning up at around 5 (by which time we had given up and eaten already :rofl: I can laugh now..)
A bit late for this year but we always make a trip and go cut down our own Christmas tree from one of the tree farms.
Always go for an outdoor skate on one of the nearby ponds or the river on Boxing Day.

scrubbedexpat091 Dec 18th 2018 5:25 am

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If its not raining its a good day to walk around the city as most everything is closed so less traffic and people out and about.

If its raining, stay inside and stay dry.

For a number of years I used to go to Denny's on Christmas for breakfast, usually an interesting collection of people at Denny's.

Howefamily Dec 18th 2018 6:25 am

Re: First Christmas!
 
I find, in our part of the country, that the main differences are the choices at a Christmas dinner. Canadians are big fans of mashed potato, corn and dinner rolls. They tend to call stuffing dressing too. As we always have Christmas dinner with our friends who are Canadians we tend to have a hybrid meal which means we cover EVERYTHING.
We have two meats, including a ham, pigs in blankets, mashed and roast potato, corn and typically British veg, stuffing,fresh homemade cranberyy sauce and gravy (not made with Bisto) but I draw the absolute line at dinner rolls. What a waste of space in ones tummy!

caretaker Dec 18th 2018 6:41 am

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Originally Posted by Cheltonian (Post 12610379)
Ice Fishing on boxing morning to get rid of the excesses of xmas day.

Could be a hard sell, but that's what I like.

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Dorothy Dec 18th 2018 8:51 am

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Originally Posted by Howefamily (Post 12610479)
Canadians are big fans of mashed potato, corn and dinner rolls. They tend to call stuffing dressing too.

Maybe where you are, but in my 40+ years in Canada it was roast potatoes and stuffing. I've only ever heard "dressing" from Americans. I can't ever remember corn or dinner rolls with a Christmas meal. Actually, I don't think I've ever had dinner rolls with any meal.

Oink Dec 18th 2018 9:22 am

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The pubs close early on Christmas eve.

Danny B Dec 18th 2018 10:45 am

Re: First Christmas!
 

Originally Posted by milly_m (Post 12610354)
So we've been in Vancouver for almost 6 months and next week it'll be our first Christmas here! It's just me and my hubby and the first time we haven't spent Christmas with extended family. I'm actually looking forward to it, but I think it will be a bit strange!

I'm just curious what other people did their first Christmas here? Are there particular traditions you discovered? Any tips for a Canadian Xmas to remember?

If I am being totally honest, our first Christmas here was the most depressing Christmas we have ever had. We were all suffering from home sickness and the kids were really missing their grand parents. I think we all sat around the Christmas tree crying our eyes out once we had face timed the UK. That first Christmas was tough.

This year we are all getting stoned Christmas Day, and drunk on Boxing day. You have to mix it up a bit.

BristolUK Dec 18th 2018 12:09 pm

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Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12610609)
This year we are all getting stoned Christmas Day, and drunk on Boxing day. You have to mix it up a bit.

No laughing gas?

Piff Poff Dec 18th 2018 2:03 pm

Re: First Christmas!
 
We spent our 1st Christmas with Canadian friends, roast turkey ( she pulled the legs off and threw them away) mash potatoes peas and salad, no dressing/stuffing, with dinner rolls and ice cream for pud. We have since always done our own dinners lol. As for Canada being the most Christmassy country, it isn't where I am, even the Filipinos think it's bland.

Siouxie Dec 18th 2018 2:25 pm

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Originally Posted by Dorothy (Post 12610558)
Maybe where you are, but in my 40+ years in Canada it was roast potatoes and stuffing. I've only ever heard "dressing" from Americans. I can't ever remember corn or dinner rolls with a Christmas meal. Actually, I don't think I've ever had dinner rolls with any meal.

Everyone I know and virtually all the Christmas meals I've had at Canadian's homes they have had mashed potato only - in fact the only ones that even knew what a roast potato was were the ones who have British parents or grandparents! Corn featured heavily, as did that monstrosity of green beans or sweet potato with marshmallow on top and broccoli or macaroni casserole and such abominations.. and yes they have called stuffing 'dressing' - and it's never stuffed into the turkey, always as a side dish.. and yes, dinner rolls were served too.

When they come to me it's a full traditional Christmas Dinner - but sadly this year there won't be a christmas pud nor sausage rolls or sherry trifle.. (but we do have christmas crackers complete with silly jokes and paper hats courtesy of Walmart :p )

First Christmas here my son and I sat on the deck in folding chairs drinking 'camping coffee' (that's coffee laced with a little something, i.e. brandy or whisky), my son smoked a cigar while we watched the snow falling around us :D

scrubbedexpat091 Dec 18th 2018 2:36 pm

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I have only been to a handful of Christmas dinners, but the ones I have gone to always had corn, mashed potatoes, dinner rolls, and such, only time I ever hear dressing used for stuffing is from older people, my MIL calls it that and my grandmother did, but by and large people call it stuffing or just stove top since that seems to be the preferred brand.

milly_m Dec 18th 2018 3:02 pm

Re: First Christmas!
 
Thanks for all the excellent uh, inspiration!


Originally Posted by Cheltonian (Post 12610379)
Ice Fishing on boxing morning to get rid of the excesses of xmas day.

Yikes that’d do it! Think it might be a bit of a mission to find ice fishing in Vancouver though, it’s pretty mild here...


Originally Posted by Howefamily (Post 12610479)
I find, in our part of the country, that the main differences are the choices at a Christmas dinner. Canadians are big fans of mashed potato, corn and dinner rolls

I’ve never understood the North American tendency to have corn with everything! My (Welsh) in laws love mash with their roasts though, as well as roast potatoes of course. I just like having Yorkshire puddings with everything as my second carb 😀 big no to rolls, ‘dressing’ or horrible green bean concoctions thanks.


Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12610609)
This year we are all getting stoned Christmas Day, and drunk on Boxing day. You have to mix it up a bit.

well that’s another option 😁 I think I might stick to gin...

BEVS Dec 18th 2018 3:09 pm

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Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12610483)

That is actually really interesting to me. Something totally different.
If you think to , perhaps take some pics and post up in a dedicated thread .
I know nothing about this. Is it a day trip? Camp out?
Will you catch fish. If so what sort.
Will you see wild life?

BEVS Dec 18th 2018 3:19 pm

Re: First Christmas!
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12610663)
I have only been to a handful of Christmas dinners, but the ones I have gone to always had corn, mashed potatoes, dinner rolls, and such, only time I ever hear dressing used for stuffing is from older people, my MIL calls it that and my grandmother did, but by and large people call it stuffing or just stove top since that seems to be the preferred brand.

A dressing is not stuffing. A dressing is something you spoon over or through food. Salad dressing is a prime example. A stuffing will be firm but moist & really should be baked within the meat as it is all about flavours. Neither are condiments, jus or sauces.

Mash and corn do not belong with roasts. They belong with sausages and pies.

Not sure what the dinner roll thing is. Dinner rolls to me are tiny fresh baked bread rolls that are served with a suitable dinner. Should be served warm. One each only.

Yeah :amen:

scrubbedexpat091 Dec 18th 2018 3:31 pm

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Originally Posted by BEVS (Post 12610675)
A dressing is not stuffing. A dressing is something you spoon over or through food. Salad dressing is a prime example. A stuffing will be firm but moist & really should be baked within the meat as it is all about flavours. Neither are condiments, jus or sauces.

Mash and corn do not belong with roasts. They belong with sausages and pies.

Not sure what the dinner roll thing is. Dinner rolls to me are tiny fresh baked bread rolls that are served with a suitable dinner. Should be served warm. One each only.

Yeah :amen:

Pretty much what they are... But most seem to buy them from the store bakery already made.

I've only been to 2 or 3 Christmas Dinners in Canada over the last 14 years, so I don't exactly have a wide range of experience outside of those few.

Oink Dec 18th 2018 3:36 pm

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I don't know what dinner rolls are but they sound like heaven. I bet they're good warmed, filled with slightly mushed roast potatoes, a little bit of stuffing and some gravy on them. That's about as likely to happen as my Dad wanting to meat Cindy Crawford in the 1980s. :(

BEVS Dec 18th 2018 4:20 pm

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Originally Posted by Oink (Post 12610681)
I bet they're good warmed, filled with slightly mushed roast potatoes, a little bit of stuffing and some gravy on them.

:ohmy:

NoNoNo. No filling or dunking the dinner rolls.
They get served first. Break Bread.

Atlantic Xpat Dec 18th 2018 10:29 pm

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Our first Christmas was pretty depressing as I'd just been made redundant. So we returned Christmas presents prior to Christmas to get the money back. To cap it off the Crappy Tire lights we'd put up on the house were subject to a safety recall so we had to take them all down & return them to the store. So all in all not a good Christmas.

Fortunately, subsequent Christmas's have been rather better. Aside from the one Christmas in 14 years we spent in England, every Christmas has involved going to one of the Mrs's relatives house as they host and cook the Christmas lunch. It is full Newfoundland style Christmas dinner so turkey yes but then carrot, turnip & cabbage boiled for many hours with salt beef riblets till they are a vaguely salty mush. Plus mashed potatoes & pease pudding. I've been suggesting for years that one Christmas I'd host & do a "proper" roast but to no avail. However, as I think I've posted before, now we have kids I am appreciative of the fact we can drop by for a couple of hours eat our fill, socialise and then leave before the washing up needs doing. ;)

Jingsamichty Dec 18th 2018 11:19 pm

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Originally Posted by Oink (Post 12610681)
I don't know what dinner rolls are but they sound like heaven. I bet they're good warmed, filled with slightly mushed roast potatoes, a little bit of stuffing and some gravy on them. That's about as likely to happen as my Dad wanting to meat Cindy Crawford in the 1980s. :(

:rofl:

Howefamily Dec 19th 2018 3:45 am

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No, dinner rolls are little rolls, of the bread kind, boring and served with dinner. Thats all they are. Waste of carbohydrate allowance.

scrubbedexpat134 Dec 19th 2018 6:42 am

Re: First Christmas!
 

Originally Posted by BEVS (Post 12610671)
That is actually really interesting to me. Something totally different.
If you think to , perhaps take some pics and post up in a dedicated thread .
I know nothing about this. Is it a day trip? Camp out?
Will you catch fish. If so what sort.
Will you see wild life?

Couple of vids

scrubbedexpat091 Dec 19th 2018 7:26 am

Re: First Christmas!
 
Ice fishing always looks fun, not an easy task around my parts so never done it, but looks fun.

BristolUK Dec 19th 2018 7:46 am

Re: First Christmas!
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12611048)
Ice fishing always looks fun, not an easy task around my parts so never done it, but looks fun.

Could you freeze your aquarium? :ohmy:

scrubbedexpat134 Dec 19th 2018 8:39 am

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12611053)
Could you freeze your aquarium? :ohmy:

And use some Tinned/Frozen Lobster for bait!!

scrubbedexpat091 Dec 19th 2018 9:29 am

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12611053)
Could you freeze your aquarium? :ohmy:


I took them down, but you could if you found a big enough freezer but then the water as it frozen would crack the glass and all the fish would die, too small of water volume so would be one big chunk of ice.

Hurlabrick Dec 19th 2018 9:38 am

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Originally Posted by AlliF (Post 12610440)
A bit late for this year but we always make a trip and go cut down our own Christmas tree from one of the tree farms.

Our second Christmas here and yes, this is already our established tradition!

Atlantic Xpat Dec 19th 2018 11:29 pm

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Originally Posted by Hurlabrick (Post 12611113)
Our second Christmas here and yes, this is already our established tradition!

Hah, Here we just head out into the woods and chop down a likely looking specimen. That's tomorrow afternoon's job.

scrubbedexpat091 Dec 20th 2018 4:13 am

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I miss having a real tree. When I was a kid we would go to the local tree farm and cut down a tree every year, was fun.

milly_m Dec 23rd 2018 8:43 am

Re: First Christmas!
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12611373)
I miss having a real tree. When I was a kid we would go to the local tree farm and cut down a tree every year, was fun.

Mr Milly won’t let me have a real tree, grumpy sod, he says they’re too messy! Not so easy when we don’t have a car either, so fake tree it is for now. We do have a nice Xmas tradition of busting out Elf, a Christmas tipple and putting up the decorations together :)

MillieF Dec 24th 2018 11:56 pm

Re: First Christmas!
 
I cannot agree more with mashed potato and corn fetish that seems so prevalent here not being appropriate for a roast dinner. I was fairly ambivalent about corn generally before moving to Canada but now can’t stand the stuff...there’s always some sad person who will start on about having a ‘corn boil’ every September.:huh:

I too would have liked a real tree this year, as I was selling them with the Cadets and they smelled fantastic, but my Mr. Millie and master Millie won’t go for it, we’ve had the same (huge) fake tree for years and when I suggested a change they both got really upset...like I’d tried to cancel Christmas:blink:

Rete Dec 26th 2018 2:54 am

Re: First Christmas!
 

Originally Posted by BEVS (Post 12610675)
A dressing is not stuffing. A dressing is something you spoon over or through food. Salad dressing is a prime example. A stuffing will be firm but moist & really should be baked within the meat as it is all about flavours. Neither are condiments, jus or sauces.

Mash and corn do not belong with roasts. They belong with sausages and pies.

Not sure what the dinner roll thing is. Dinner rolls to me are tiny fresh baked bread rolls that are served with a suitable dinner. Should be served warm. One each only.

Yeah :amen:

Stuffing is the bread mixture that is stuffed into the bird, i.e. turkey or spread on a meat that is then rolled into a spiral and roasted. Dressing is when the bread mixture is baked in a casserole dish in the oven.

Americans and Canadians enjoy corn in all forms. It is, naturally, one of our major crops so it is eaten often. It is one of the veggies I serve when I have first time guests and don't know what they like or dislike. Not everyone likes sprouts, cauliflower, broccoli, spinach, asparagus, squash, etc. So I will make one of those along with corn to be served.

We rarely eat beef but when we do serve it usually for guests, i.e. steak, we serve a baked potato (jacket potato), a roast will have roast potatoes, a pot roast will have mashed because the pot roast is cooked in a gravy to tenderize the meat. My sister-in-law in Kanawake, Quebec, always serves roast potatoes with the exception of Thanksgiving when she will make mashed. No dinner is complete until she sets the homemade cole slaw on the table. Could be part of her English/Irish heritage or her husband's 100% Native heritage.

As for dinner rolls, they are quite different than the Yorkshire pudding the English serve with the roast. The rolls or bread is served with the meal instead of placed on the table when you first sit down in a restaurant. They could be served to take some of the hunger off while you wait for your meal or at home added to the table with the meal because you didn't sit at the dinner table until the meal was served.

My thoughts on that is for example when growing up, dad came home from WWII and the factory he worked for closed up and moved south for cheaper labor. Without a job, he caddied to bring in money. Bread was served to help fill your stomach because food was expensive and not much of it was served at dinner time. So a tradition, at least in our home, was that bread was served with dinner. I'm sure this happened in a majority of homes in the US and Canada during the late 40's and 50's.

BEVS Dec 26th 2018 4:15 pm

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Originally Posted by Rete (Post 12612966)
Stuffing is the bread mixture that is stuffed into the bird, i.e. turkey

Agreed. Stuffing comes in all manner of ....stuffings'.


or spread on a meat that is then rolled into a spiral and roasted.
I might do that but not with a bread based stuffing. It would be another moist mix. I would call that a roulade. On the outside it is a crust.


Dressing is when the bread mixture is baked in a casserole dish in the oven.
Nopes. Nah. At best I would call that a side dish. :p If I wasn't stuffing the bird with the stuffing, I would roll it into balls and bake as a side dish to serve.
Dressing to me are spoonable or pourable.


Americans and Canadians enjoy corn in all forms. It is, naturally, one of our major crops so it is eaten often. It is one of the veggies I serve when I have first time guests and don't know what they like or dislike. Not everyone likes sprouts, cauliflower, broccoli, spinach, asparagus, squash, etc. So I will make one of those along with corn to be served.
Agree in a way. Love corn but it is not for a roast.
Gravy on the other hand. :eek:


We rarely eat beef but when we do serve it usually for guests, i.e. steak, we serve a baked potato (jacket potato).
Yup. Steak, salad and a jacket is rather good . So is steak chips and light veg perhaps with a sauce. It is not a cut that would do for roast beef.


a roast will have roast potatoes,
Yup.

a pot roast will have mashed because the pot roast is cooked in a gravy to tenderize the meat.
Not sure what that is. Is that a slow cooked braised dish ? A casserole /stew type of thing , in which case mash would be more appropriate or a quality type of bread . Roast potatoes would not.


My sister-in-law in Kanawake, Quebec, always serves roast potatoes with the exception of Thanksgiving when she will make mashed. No dinner is complete until she sets the homemade cole slaw on the table.
Cole slaw ? Is there salad ? I can see a roasted turkey served with salad , new potatoes or mash and corn working. Cole slaw though = not for a roast.

My Irish mother nor my English dad would not put coleslaw with a roast. Neither would I.


As for dinner rolls, they are quite different than the Yorkshire pudding the English serve with the roast.
Yorkshire puddings are nothing to do with bread . Yorky puds are only served with roast beef. Not any other sort of roast. ------> although those that love yorkshire puds might eat them with any roast and will also eat them cold with jam. Only other dish I can think of for yorky pud batter is for a toad-in-the-hole.


The rolls or bread is served with the meal instead of placed on the table when you first sit down in a restaurant.
Agree. No restaurant should put down bread rolls before a main. They appear with a main. However they may appear for a soup starter although I would not feel that to be the ticket.


They could be served to take some of the hunger off while you wait for your meal or at home added to the table with the meal because you didn't sit at the dinner table until the meal was served.

My thoughts on that is for example when growing up, dad came home from WWII and the factory he worked for closed up and moved south for cheaper labor. Without a job, he caddied to bring in money. Bread was served to help fill your stomach because food was expensive and not much of it was served at dinner time. So a tradition, at least in our home, was that bread was served with dinner. I'm sure this happened in a majority of homes in the US and Canada during the late 40's and 50's.
Yup. That is exactamonte the case & was the same for many UK and European homes. Food was rather scarce & expensive. My family was poor . Bread was a fill up staple but as you note, was served with decorum. In other words, it had its place as a part of a meal.

In far older terms, bread being offered was a break bread . An invitation to eat with family. That would have been the offering , the bread being broken as one sat for the meal.

We love these types of chats don't we Rete. :starsmile:

Siouxie Dec 26th 2018 5:02 pm

Re: First Christmas!
 
My Mother was from Yorkshire and when visiting relatives there we were always served Yorkshire Puddings as a 'starter' with a good beef gravy - then we would have the roast beef, roast potatoes and vegetables, followed by Yorkshire Pudding with jam and custard for dessert! The idea being that you would fill up on the Yorkshire Pudding as Beef was expensive.. and the leftover Yorkshire was used for dessert... waste not, want not.

My Mother made the best Yorkies - they rose inches above the pan, were succulent in the middle and crispy and light brown on the edges... and her toad-in-the-hole (served with sage and onion gravy) sublime.
:)

caretaker Dec 26th 2018 11:39 pm

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Originally Posted by BEVS (Post 12613145)
If I wasn't stuffing the bird with the stuffing, I would roll it into balls and bake as a side dish to serve.
Dressing to me are spoonable or pourable.

Both dressing and stuffing are common terms for a bread stuffing in Canada, sometimes regardless of whether it's cooked in the bird or in foil.
"Don't get hung up on whether it's labeled stuffing or dressing, it's all basically the same beast."
What's the Difference Between Stuffing and Dressing? Allrecipes
Legend has it my paternal grandfather insisted on making oyster stuffing for his Christmas goose or turkey.

BristolUK Dec 27th 2018 1:29 am

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Originally Posted by BEVS (Post 12613145)
Cole slaw ? Is there salad ? I can see a roasted turkey served with salad , new potatoes or mash and corn working. Cole slaw though = not for a roast.

I had my best (the only good one in Canada) fish and chips since around 2003-04 last week. Proper cod and in batter.
It came with tartare sauce - which I understand for fish, but not fish as in fish and chips - and coleslaw which I understand even less. :confused:

Our family Boxing Day dinner was always cold turkey and bubble and squeak. In later years, cold turkey, potatoes, whatever other veg and leftover stuffing, cranberry sauce and crisps.

spouse of scouse Dec 27th 2018 1:34 am

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12613252)
I had my best (the only one in Canada) fish and chips since around 2003-04 last week. Proper cod and in batter.
It came with tartare sauce - which I understand for fish, but not fish as in fish and chips - and coleslaw which I understand even less. :confused:

Our family Boxing Day dinner was always cold turkey and bubble and squeak. In later years, cold turkey, potatoes, whatever other veg and leftover stuffing, cranberry sauce and crisps.

You've made me want fish and chips now, and I'm not usually a huge fan. Tartare sauce and salad is perfectly 'normal' in Oz.

Had a lovely dinner tonight - bubble and squeak with the leftover veggies from the roast Christmas dinner. I think I enjoyed it even more than the actual dinner.

scrubbedexpat134 Dec 27th 2018 3:21 am

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Originally Posted by BEVS (Post 12613145)
Agreed. Stuffing comes in all manner of ....stuffings'.



I might do that but not with a bread based stuffing. It would be another moist mix. I would call that a roulade. On the outside it is a crust.


Nopes. Nah. At best I would call that a side dish. :p If I wasn't stuffing the bird with the stuffing, I would roll it into balls and bake as a side dish to serve.
Dressing to me are spoonable or pourable.



Agree in a way. Love corn but it is not for a roast.
Gravy on the other hand. :eek:



Yup. Steak, salad and a jacket is rather good . So is steak chips and light veg perhaps with a sauce. It is not a cut that would do for roast beef.

Yup.

Not sure what that is. Is that a slow cooked braised dish ? A casserole /stew type of thing , in which case mash would be more appropriate or a quality type of bread . Roast potatoes would not.


Cole slaw ? Is there salad ? I can see a roasted turkey served with salad , new potatoes or mash and corn working. Cole slaw though = not for a roast.

My Irish mother nor my English dad would not put coleslaw with a roast. Neither would I.



Yorkshire puddings are nothing to do with bread . Yorky puds are only served with roast beef. Not any other sort of roast. ------> although those that love yorkshire puds might eat them with any roast and will also eat them cold with jam. Only other dish I can think of for yorky pud batter is for a toad-in-the-hole.



Agree. No restaurant should put down bread rolls before a main. They appear with a main. However they may appear for a soup starter although I would not feel that to be the ticket.



Yup. That is exactamonte the case & was the same for many UK and European homes. Food was rather scarce & expensive. My family was poor . Bread was a fill up staple but as you note, was served with decorum. In other words, it had its place as a part of a meal.

In far older terms, bread being offered was a break bread . An invitation to eat with family. That would have been the offering , the bread being broken as one sat for the meal.

We love these types of chats don't we Rete. :starsmile:

I love Mint sauce on my turkey, does that make me a bad person?


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