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Rete Dec 27th 2018 6:04 am

Re: First Christmas!
 

Originally Posted by BEVS (Post 12613145)
Agreed. Stuffing comes in all manner of ....stuffings'.



I might do that but not with a bread based stuffing. It would be another moist mix. I would call that a roulade. On the outside it is a crust.

I do this with a pork roast and with pork chops that are 1 inch thick. I make a pocket and insert the stuffing made with bread, sautéed apples, onion, spices into the pocket and using a tooth pick hold the pocket closed and then roast the chops in the oven.



Nopes. Nah. At best I would call that a side dish. :p If I wasn't stuffing the bird with the stuffing, I would roll it into balls and bake as a side dish to serve.
Dressing to me are spoonable or pourable.
Casseroles are a side dish when it is a single item ingredient that is baked, i.e. stuffing becomes dressing since it is not put into the bird, green bean casserole, sho pak corn casserole, etc. These dressings are spoonable.




Agree in a way. Love corn but it is not for a roast.
Gravy on the other hand. :eek:
I'd say that your a personal taste isn't it? I love corn, can't have it because of diabetes, but I sneak a spoonful once in a great while. We always serve two veggies at dinner and one must be a green veggie.
We also like gravy for the roast for the next day when the meat is chilled and you don't want to heat it up because it will further cook the meat which should be medium at least if not medium rare.




Not sure what that is. Is that a slow cooked braised dish ? A casserole /stew type of thing , in which case mash would be more appropriate or a quality type of bread . Roast potatoes would not.
Pot roast is made with the cut of beef that is not tender when just roasted, i.e. brisket, rump roast, a shoulder cut. It is browned first and with the drippings you make your gravy, put the roast back into the pot and with the heat on low you cook it slowly for a few hours. In the US we will add carrots, a cut of tomato, sometimes pearl onions to the pot along with bay leaves, salt pepper, etc.



Cole slaw ? Is there salad ? I can see a roasted turkey served with salad , new potatoes or mash and corn working. Cole slaw though = not for a roast.
Cole slaw is a salad made from shredded cabbage. There are two types of salad type dressings you can use. One is mayonnaise based and the other is with vinegar and oil. This is my sister-in-law who serves it with every dinner regardless of what they have (if not soup). She makes her own dressing and it does has a mayo base.


Yorkshire puddings are nothing to do with bread . Yorky puds are only served with roast beef. Not any other sort of roast. ------> although those that love yorkshire puds might eat them with any roast and will also eat them cold with jam. Only other dish I can think of for yorky pud batter is for a toad-in-the-hole.
Having watched all the Great British Baking Championship shows since 2012, I do know the difference now in terminology between our countries for bread rolls, cookies, puddings, etc. There is a very big difference in the terminology and our eating styles. Here restaurants serve a bread basket as soon as you sit down. A salad is served before the main entrée.




Agree. No restaurant should put down bread rolls before a main. They appear with a main. However they may appear for a soup starter although I would not feel that to be the ticket.



Yup. That is exactamonte the case & was the same for many UK and European homes. Food was rather scarce & expensive. My family was poor . Bread was a fill up staple but as you note, was served with decorum. In other words, it had its place as a part of a meal.

In far older terms, bread being offered was a break bread . An invitation to eat with family. That would have been the offering , the bread being broken as one sat for the meal.

We love these types of chats don't we Rete. :starsmile:

BristolUK Dec 27th 2018 6:13 am

Re: First Christmas!
 

Originally Posted by Cheltonian (Post 12613316)
I love Mint sauce on my turkey, does that make me a bad person?

Not bad, just a bit odd. ;)

MelVan Dec 27th 2018 4:28 pm

Re: First Christmas!
 
My first Canadian Christmas was many years ago at my in-laws when they still lived in London, Ontario. My late M-I-L was not noted for her culinary skills, so I offered to cook Christmas dinner. I made a full roast turkey dinner the way I'd been taught by my mother. Roast turkey, roast potatoes, sweet potatoes roasted with orange butter (whip the juice and zest of a couple of oranges and a pinch of sugar into butter, chill, then put generous teaspoons on thickly sliced orange sweet potatoes (yams?) and roast until tender, turning once. When there's a bit of caramelisation starting around the edges, they're done), green beans dressed with fried bacon and onion (finely dice the bacon and onion and fry together until lovely and caramelised, scatter over the beans), and homemade gravy. I made the stuffing (pork, apple and sage) as a side dish (it is easier to roast a turkey unstuffed, with some herbs, butter, lemon and garlic thrown in the cavity to help with gravy flavouring). My M-I-L breezed through the kitchen and exclaimed about the amount of fresh herbs being used and was worried was that everything would "taste too strong". She didn't complain about the finished product though.

Since then, when we've all been in Vancouver, we've gone out for Christmas dinner! My husband's family have a breakfast tradition, so the boys on that side of the family all make English muffins with poached eggs, cheese and bacon, and pancakes with fresh apple compote. They do a mighty fine job. Stuffed with those delicious fixings, I can get through to dinner with just a mince pie or two to keep me going!

Tonight I am making a turkey "pie" with my leftovers. Turkey, sauteed zucchini, seasoned with chives and plenty of black pepper in a bechamel sauce flavoured with leftover gravy; thinly sliced leftover roast potatoes on top to make the "pie crust". Baked until golden. Served with leftover orange sweet potatoes (see recipe above) and a fresh green vegetable. YUM!

BEVS Dec 27th 2018 4:48 pm

Re: First Christmas!
 

Originally Posted by Cheltonian (Post 12613316)
I love Mint sauce on my turkey, does that make me a bad person?

:scaredhair:

BEVS Dec 27th 2018 5:12 pm

Re: First Christmas!
 

Originally Posted by BEVS
Gravy on the other hand.


Originally Posted by Rete (Post 12613369)

I'd say that your a personal taste isn't it?

Well I do like a good gravy but it's not so much so a personal taste. I like corn . I grow it.
Roasts come with gravy in a gravy boat. Roasts would not come with corn....or mash. I'm now wondering and trying to remember if a roast might come with a little mashed swede to offset a roast parsnip.


Originally Posted by Rete
Pot roast is made with the cut of beef that is not tender when just roasted, i.e. brisket, rump roast, a shoulder cut.

Ah ! Browned braised /slow cooked casserole or stew. If lamb I like that with pearl barley added.


Originally Posted by Rete
Cole slaw is a salad made from shredded cabbage.

Oops. My bad use of the Queen's English. I know what coleslaw is and I make it in differing styles. Not for or with a roast dinner though.



Originally Posted by Rete
Having watched all the Great British Baking Championship shows since 2012, I do know the difference now in terminology between our countries for bread rolls, cookies, puddings, etc. There is a very big difference in the terminology and our eating styles. Here restaurants serve a bread basket as soon as you sit down. A salad is served before the main entrée.

Cookies are odd. Biscuits & cake . Puddings and desserts on the other hand. :p I haven't a sweet tooth so none of it interests me that much.

Yorkshire puds though remain not the same or similar as bread rolls . A dinner bread roll is with a main meal. A yorkshire pud is for roast beef which may well also see a dinner roll. A yorkshire pud may also come before a main roast beef meal. It would not happen with a roast turkey or other roast.

I personally would not serve a salad before a roast meal. I might serve a very simple form it afterward as a rest before dessert. That though is from what I was taught . Most folk these days might find that odd.

I might serve a small salad before, with or after another form of main meal . That would depend on the meal.

BristolUK Dec 28th 2018 1:28 am

Re: First Christmas!
 

Originally Posted by MelVan (Post 12613505)
...sweet potatoes roasted with orange butter.....green beans dressed with fried bacon and onion...the stuffing (pork, apple and sage) ...

Some interesting ideas there but, for me, too many different flavours on the same plate. I shall certainly try the sweet potato recipe, perhaps with gravyless chicken. Perhaps the beans part will go on the same plate.


Tonight I am making a turkey "pie" with my leftovers. Turkey, sauteed zucchini, seasoned with chives and plenty of black pepper in a bechamel sauce flavoured with leftover gravy; thinly sliced leftover roast potatoes on top to make the "pie crust". Baked until golden. Served with leftover orange sweet potatoes (see recipe above) and a fresh green vegetable.
Leftover roast potatoes? Sacrilege! Doesn't happen in our household:lol:

Rete Dec 28th 2018 6:11 am

Re: First Christmas!
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12613230)
Both dressing and stuffing are common terms for a bread stuffing in Canada, sometimes regardless of whether it's cooked in the bird or in foil.
"Don't get hung up on whether it's labeled stuffing or dressing, it's all basically the same beast."
What's the Difference Between Stuffing and Dressing? Allrecipes
Legend has it my paternal grandfather insisted on making oyster stuffing for his Christmas goose or turkey.

Oyster stuffing is made down in the states as well. Along with chestnut stuffing, both are staples in many households. The Italian families I were friends with for many years made a stuffing adding Italian sausage. Personally, I like to add cranberries to mine for a bit of a savory/tart taste. I use apple and cranberry when preparing stuffing for pork.

They are the same ingredients in stuffing and dressing. Only the vehicle in which they are baked changes the name. Never cooked anything in foil, let alone dressing.

Siouxie Dec 28th 2018 9:21 am

Re: First Christmas!
 

Originally Posted by Rete (Post 12613687)
Oyster stuffing is made down in the states as well. Along with chestnut stuffing, both are staples in many households. The Italian families I were friends with for many years made a stuffing adding Italian sausage. Personally, I like to add cranberries to mine for a bit of a savory/tart taste. I use apple and cranberry when preparing stuffing for pork.

They are the same ingredients in stuffing and dressing. Only the vehicle in which they are baked changes the name. Never cooked anything in foil, let alone dressing.

Chestnuts / sausagemeat / sage/onion - all popular stuffings for poultry in the UK.

I used to make all of them - but my son is highly allergic to chestnuts, so I avoid them now - but quite apart from the stuffing, I used to love roasting chestnuts (my Dad used to do them on the fire), carefully peeling them.. sometimes a smidge of butter, nom nom nom!


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