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Re: Don't understand why Albertans aren't more outraged by this
https://www.ec.gc.ca/eau-water/defau...n&n=F77856A7-1
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ewh-semt/wate.../index-eng.php I think it's true. According to these we have "guidelines" which are not the same as standards. Are they? Guidelines seem a bit softer than standards. Am I making sense, it's been a long day and my kid is doing the highland reel right by my ear |
Re: Don't understand why Albertans aren't more outraged by this
Originally Posted by ExKiwilass
(Post 10960639)
https://www.ec.gc.ca/eau-water/defau...n&n=F77856A7-1
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ewh-semt/wate.../index-eng.php I think it's true. According to these we have "guidelines" which are not the same as standards. Are they? Guidelines seem a bit softer than standards. Am I making sense, it's been a long day and my kid is doing the highland reel right by my ear |
Re: Don't understand why Albertans aren't more outraged by this
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 10960822)
Trying to make sense of the Rosebud situation. Based on the above, there don't seem to be any restrictions or consequences imposed if the water breaches the guideline. Nevertheless, it's hard to believe that Environment Canada would be so relaxed about health issues. There must be some teeth in some legislation somewhere?
I don't know about regulation of fracking now. I do know that Alberta Environment regulate in the Oilsands and its part of the permissions with annual monitoring etc. There are very large controls on process affected water migrating off site via surface water or via groundwater but I do think air pollution has potential to pollute water courses, this has been proven through studies of snow. I read a book called 'Stupid to the last drop'. Its a worthwhile read , it had a lot on the Rosebud situation, which as I said earlier is tragic. |
Re: Don't understand why Albertans are more outraged by this
Originally Posted by Jingsamichty
(Post 10960196)
Police corruption is not a uniquely Albertan phenomenon, in fact I'd say it's the global norm. Therefore it doesn't particularly raise eyebrows anywhere.
Deformed fish & cancer... like I said, the bitumen has been leaching into the river for centuries. It's not new, though I'll concede that the initial developments from the 60s/70s didn't give any care for the environment - but that was also a standard global attitude. I assure you that you cannot take or return as much as one litre of water from a watercourse without the verification and approval of the governmental authorities. Incidentally, I assume you own things like mobile phones, laptops, iPods... or are only some environmental disasters cool enough to protest about? |
Re: Don't understand why Albertans aren't more outraged by this
Originally Posted by gryphea
(Post 10961294)
I do know that Alberta Environment regulate in the Oilsands and its part of the permissions with annual monitoring etc. There are very large controls on process affected water migrating off site via surface water or via groundwater but I do think air pollution has potential to pollute water courses, this has been proven through studies of snow.
I read a book called 'Stupid to the last drop'. Its a worthwhile read , it had a lot on the Rosebud situation, which as I said earlier is tragic. |
Re: Don't understand why Albertans are more outraged by this
Originally Posted by Souvy
(Post 10961327)
Quite. Any electronic gizmo that any of us owns probably contains material that was produced under rather unpleasant circumstances. Things like slavery, child-rape and wholesale massacre are trivial compared to the odd deformed fish or water that smells a bit.
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Re: Don't understand why Albertans aren't more outraged by this
Originally Posted by gryphea
(Post 10961294)
I think Fracking was allowed to go wild and there didn't seem to be much regulation.
I don't know about regulation of fracking now. Basically groundwater contamination around fracking is largely paranoia, the well is way, way deeper than the water table. Yes, if you screw it up then you can have problems, just as you can with any industrial operation, but it is regulated and Alberta's regulations are apparently among the strictest. Knock yourself out: http://albertacanada.com/business/in...gulations.aspx http://aer.ca/rules-and-regulations/acts-and-rules |
Re: Don't understand why Albertans aren't more outraged by this
Originally Posted by Steve_
(Post 10961711)
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...tion-1.1152629
Basically groundwater contamination around fracking is largely paranoia, the well is way, way deeper than the water table. Yes, if you screw it up then you can have problems, just as you can with any industrial operation, but it is regulated and Alberta's regulations are apparently among the strictest. Knock yourself out: http://albertacanada.com/business/in...gulations.aspx http://aer.ca/rules-and-regulations/acts-and-rules |
Re: Don't understand why Albertans aren't more outraged by this
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 10961727)
The CBC article you cite doesn't support your assertion on paranoia.
Schindler says not enough is known about the impact of increased fracking on ground and surface water. |
Re: Don't understand why Albertans aren't more outraged by this
Originally Posted by Steve_
(Post 10961746)
Well yes it does because they say they're "worried" but then they quote the ERCB explaining why they shouldn't be.
Well it's been around for a very long time. |
Re: Don't understand why Albertans aren't more outraged by this
btw thanks for changing my thread title Souxie
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Re: Don't understand why Albertans aren't more outraged by this
At work yesterday they were talking about there being 20 years worth of work remediating/decommissioning the mines that are coming to the end of the lifecycle. One example has been capped already. In principle its no different from mine sites all over Canada and the rest of the world.
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Re: Don't understand why Albertans aren't more outraged by this
Originally Posted by ExKiwilass
(Post 10960626)
that's not good - do you have any links to the study?
yeah, it's the 'it is what it is' thing I don't get. It's just so sad. It was heartbreaking listening to the story of Rosebud - really heartbreaking, those people have lost everything. Without decent water you really have nothing, doesn't matter how much land you have or how pretty it is. She sounds like she has had a really rough time from both teh government and the company - refusing to test her water, refusing to talk to her, stonewalling etc. etc. |
Re: Don't understand why Albertans aren't more outraged by this
Originally Posted by Piff Poff
(Post 10962123)
No I was talking to a friend with cancer and it was something she had found out sorry. Also have a look at the documentary called Gasland?
Ok, will check it out. Cheers. |
Re: Don't understand why Albertans aren't more outraged by this
Just got back from a frac in Saskatchewan yesterday... The media and the people protesting against it really have no idea and are just protesting through ignorance.
If people think fracking is bad, then there are far worse things going on in Canada which they should focus their attention on - any type of mining is far, far worse for the environment. Once a frac is completed all that's left is a small hole in the ground. As others have stated all the talk of gas seepage is pretty much pure BS - does anyone have any hard evidence of this in Canada? 100% of the 'evidence' I have seen is entirely anecdotal and almost certainly coincidental/made up. TBH I think half the reason most people are against it is because it has a nasty sounding name. |
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