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Re: Don't understand why Albertans are more outraged by this
Originally Posted by ExKiwilass
(Post 10960179)
sooo, you're all ok with RCMP bombing an installation then trying to pin it on a local farmer, in cahoots with an energy company? I'm seriously asking because that seems like an incredibly corrupt, nasty thing to do for a so-called police force.
" Their lawyer produced evidence that the RCMP bombed a wellsite and that they did it with the full support of the energy company that owned it. The Crown admits the allegations are true. " It's okay that fish are deformed? That there are higher rates of cancer? They had the woman with the gassy water on the CEEB yesterday. She's an actual scientist as well as a farmer, which is a bummer for the company that is fracking nearby. The kind of intimidation she's had to deal with from the firm involved as well as the Albertan government is pretty crazy. The water was so foul, that even her dogs refused to drink it. I mean, if they can do that to rural communities, they can do that to you too, in your safe little suburbs. Deformed fish & cancer... like I said, the bitumen has been leaching into the river for centuries. It's not new, though I'll concede that the initial developments from the 60s/70s didn't give any care for the environment - but that was also a standard global attitude. I assure you that you cannot take or return as much as one litre of water from a watercourse without the verification and approval of the governmental authorities. Incidentally, I assume you own things like mobile phones, laptops, iPods... or are only some environmental disasters cool enough to protest about? |
Re: Don't understand why Albertans are more outraged by this
Originally Posted by Jingsamichty
(Post 10960196)
Police corruption is not a uniquely Albertan phenomenon, in fact I'd say it's the global norm. Therefore it doesn't particularly raise eyebrows anywhere.
Deformed fish & cancer... like I said, the bitumen has been leaching into the river for centuries. It's not new, though I'll concede that the initial developments from the 60s/70s didn't give any care for the environment - but that was also a standard global attitude. I assure you that you cannot take or return as much as one litre of water from a watercourse without the verification and approval of the governmental authorities. Incidentally, I assume you own things like mobile phones, laptops, iPods... or are only some environmental disasters cool enough to protest about? |
Re: Don't understand why Albertans are more outraged by this
Originally Posted by ExKiwilass
(Post 10960179)
It's okay that fish are deformed?
That there are higher rates of cancer? If someone actually proved that these things were causing cancer and deformed fish, we might be concerned. Until that happens, correlation is still not causation, and knee-jerk 'do something' reactions have caused far more harm than waiting for someone to actually figure out whether there's a problem. They had the woman with the gassy water on the CEEB yesterday. She's an actual scientist as well as a farmer, which is a bummer for the company that is fracking nearby. |
Re: Don't understand why Albertans are more outraged by this
Originally Posted by ExKiwilass
(Post 10960061)
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/rcmp-b...paign-1.188599
The Mounties bombed an oil installation as part of a dirty tricks campaign in their investigation into sabotage in the Alberta's oil patch. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...ling-1.1387795 Ernst says there was so much methane in her tap water as a result of hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, that she could set fire to the water. Levels of contaminants higher than in some of the world's most polluted cities have been found downwind of Canada's largest oil, gas and tar sands processing zone, in a rural area where men suffer elevated rates of cancers linked to such chemicals. A new study has found heightened levels of cancer-causing chemicals traced to Alberta's oilsands developments in lakes surrounding Fort McMurray (lower right in this Google satellite map image), including Lake Namur, marked by the A. (Google Maps) The study found that the levels of PAHs in all six lakes had increased anywhere from 2½ times to 23 times background levels in the early 1960s, before the start of oilsands mining in the region A renowned Alberta water scientist is urging the federal government to take action after he discovered deformities in fish in the Athabasca River downriver from oil sands developments bear a striking resemblance to ones found in fish after spills in U.S. waters. |
Re: Don't understand why Albertans are more outraged by this
Originally Posted by ExKiwilass
(Post 10960179)
sooo, you're all ok with RCMP bombing an installation then trying to pin it on a local farmer, in cahoots with an energy company? I'm seriously asking because that seems like an incredibly corrupt, nasty thing to do for a so-called police force.
" Their lawyer produced evidence that the RCMP bombed a wellsite and that they did it with the full support of the energy company that owned it. The Crown admits the allegations are true. " They had the woman with the gassy water on the CEEB yesterday. She's an actual scientist as well as a farmer, which is a bummer for the company that is fracking nearby. The kind of intimidation she's had to deal with from the firm involved as well as the Albertan government is pretty crazy. The water was so foul, that even her dogs refused to drink it. I mean, if they can do that to rural communities, they can do that to you too, in your safe little suburbs. There's plenty of foul water in Alberta, it's a semi-arid environment. The only way that would happen is through negligence, okay if the company is negligent, have at it but it's not some general thing to be worried about. |
Re: Don't understand why Albertans aren't more outraged by this
Originally Posted by ExKiwilass
(Post 10960061)
aren't more outraged. AREN"T more outraged, is what I meant.
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Re: Don't understand why Albertans are more outraged by this
Originally Posted by ExKiwilass
(Post 10960207)
So, basically it's true. Albertans don't give a shit. Oh well, you get the government you deserve I spose.
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Re: Don't understand why Albertans aren't more outraged by this
ahh ExKiwiLass at it again...so much rage!
is this you EKL? http://mikerowse.com/wp-content/uplo..._bus_fail2.jpg |
Re: Don't understand why Albertans are more outraged by this
Originally Posted by ExKiwilass
(Post 10960207)
So, basically it's true. Albertans don't give a shit. Oh well, you get the government you deserve I spose.
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Re: Don't understand why Albertans aren't more outraged by this
OK, so the first happened in 1999, so it is fairly outrageous, but hardly current
Fracking and Rosebud all seems a bit of a tragedy to me and points to higher regulation of fracking and better record keeping. I am not sure whether anything has changed for that. But they frack in BC too! Horrors happened in the early oilsand years , just as they did in the early nuclear years in UK (and in fact many industries everywhere, I suspect the pulp industry of BC too). They built a tailings pond in the river which is terrible BUT Nowadays regulations are way way tougher and there is so much (effective) work to prevent process affected water going off site, with a lot of monitoring and regulation. Its tragic they did what they did in the 60s, but that's not uniquely Albertan and would be applicable all over BC with tailings. Air pollution and air pollution getting into water ways is still potentially an issue; but the reality is all development could stop and still those lake levels you mention would be high because of what went on 30-50 years ago and has simply stopped going on now. |
Re: Don't understand why Albertans aren't more outraged by this
Well, I guess if denial pays the bills, then denial it is.
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Re: Don't understand why Albertans aren't more outraged by this
Albertans I know complain about water being smelly after fracking but don't do anything about it, it's a it is what it is scenario. If it doesn't affect their daily lives oh well.:thumbdown:
We spoke to our neighbors before getting a water treatment system installed and apparently when they built the house the well water was lovely, then along came the oil companies and did some fracking, we believe they got paid out. Apparently Alberta has a higher than average digestive (bowel, stomach, intestine etc) system cancer rate |
Re: Don't understand why Albertans aren't more outraged by this
Originally Posted by Piff Poff
(Post 10960623)
Albertans I know complain about water being smelly after fracking but don't do anything about it, it's a it is what it is scenario. If it doesn't affect their daily lives oh well.:thumbdown:
We spoke to our neighbors before getting a water treatment system installed and apparently when they built the house the well water was lovely, then along came the oil companies and did some fracking, we believe they got paid out. Apparently Alberta has a higher than average digestive (bowel, stomach, intestine etc) system cancer rate yeah, it's the 'it is what it is' thing I don't get. It's just so sad. It was heartbreaking listening to the story of Rosebud - really heartbreaking, those people have lost everything. Without decent water you really have nothing, doesn't matter how much land you have or how pretty it is. She sounds like she has had a really rough time from both teh government and the company - refusing to test her water, refusing to talk to her, stonewalling etc. etc. |
Re: Don't understand why Albertans aren't more outraged by this
FWIW, I wish none of the environmental degradation studies were true. I wish we could oil & gas ourselves up the wazoo and it not matter one iota to the planet. It would be waaaay easier for all of us, let's face it.
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Re: Don't understand why Albertans aren't more outraged by this
One web article said that Canada has no environmental water standards...is that true ?
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