do you indulge in spanking
#151
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Re: do you indulge in spanking
It is asinine to suggest it is.
Here is part of the dicipline policy for the Calgary Board of Education.
When disciplining a student, a teacher or principal must not use (my emphasis)
(a) physical threats or attacks upon the student,
(b) corporal punishment,
(c) mass detention and mass punishment aimed at unspecified individuals or groups,
(d) verbal attacks such as sarcasm, racial or personal references,
(e) deliberate humiliation,
(f) removal of the student’s lunch break, or
(g) removal of access to the program of studies.
If you want to view the entire document it is here: http://www.cbe.ab.ca/policies/policies/AR6001.pdf
#152
Re: do you indulge in spanking
Just because the law is on the books doesn't mean it is a practice in mainstream school systems across the country.
It is asinine to suggest it is.
Here is part of the dicipline policy for the Calgary Board of Education.
When disciplining a student, a teacher or principal must not use (my emphasis)
(a) physical threats or attacks upon the student,
(b) corporal punishment,
(c) mass detention and mass punishment aimed at unspecified individuals or groups,
(d) verbal attacks such as sarcasm, racial or personal references,
(e) deliberate humiliation,
(f) removal of the student’s lunch break, or
(g) removal of access to the program of studies.
If you want to view the entire document it is here: http://www.cbe.ab.ca/policies/policies/AR6001.pdf
It is asinine to suggest it is.
Here is part of the dicipline policy for the Calgary Board of Education.
When disciplining a student, a teacher or principal must not use (my emphasis)
(a) physical threats or attacks upon the student,
(b) corporal punishment,
(c) mass detention and mass punishment aimed at unspecified individuals or groups,
(d) verbal attacks such as sarcasm, racial or personal references,
(e) deliberate humiliation,
(f) removal of the student’s lunch break, or
(g) removal of access to the program of studies.
If you want to view the entire document it is here: http://www.cbe.ab.ca/policies/policies/AR6001.pdf
#153
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Re: do you indulge in spanking
Steve, thanks for that info. So it depends on the province or is just one of those laws nobody takes on?
#155
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Re: do you indulge in spanking
Thanks, I got scared for a moment.
#156
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Re: do you indulge in spanking
The UK government obviously dont see a problem.
http://news.aol.co.uk/smacking-ban-f...16590097194075
http://news.aol.co.uk/smacking-ban-f...16590097194075
#157
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Re: do you indulge in spanking
from the link above
Current rules make it illegal for a parent to smack a child if it leaves a bruise but permit a lighter smack or "reasonable chastisement".
Prime Minister Gordon Brown's spokesman said the Government was clear on the need to safeguard the interests of children but did not support an all-out ban on smacking.
makes perfect sense to me
Current rules make it illegal for a parent to smack a child if it leaves a bruise but permit a lighter smack or "reasonable chastisement".
Prime Minister Gordon Brown's spokesman said the Government was clear on the need to safeguard the interests of children but did not support an all-out ban on smacking.
makes perfect sense to me
#158
Re: do you indulge in spanking
from the link above
Current rules make it illegal for a parent to smack a child if it leaves a bruise but permit a lighter smack or "reasonable chastisement".
Prime Minister Gordon Brown's spokesman said the Government was clear on the need to safeguard the interests of children but did not support an all-out ban on smacking.
makes perfect sense to me
Current rules make it illegal for a parent to smack a child if it leaves a bruise but permit a lighter smack or "reasonable chastisement".
Prime Minister Gordon Brown's spokesman said the Government was clear on the need to safeguard the interests of children but did not support an all-out ban on smacking.
makes perfect sense to me
Unfortunately when you have a vague legislation such as the above - then who defines reasonable chastisement.
My point is that everybody is brought up knowing right / wrong, good / bad based on views held by their parents.
For instance my parents defined reasonable chastisement as walloping me with a belt - whereas some would recoil in horror at that (much as I did when on the receiving end.!)
And another thing to bear in mind is that some people bruise very easily - where others don't.
Its such a grey area unfortunately that I don't have an answer to - I only go by my own guidelines and hope that they are good ones, which I think is all any responsible parent can do.
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Re: do you indulge in spanking
Actually I kinda like the bit about the bruise, assuming the spank is on the bum of course. If dad or mum bruises a child, chances are they gave the kid a nasty whack, which is not right,
#160
Re: do you indulge in spanking
I agree but in the same respect i only have to look at something hard (no funnies meant there!) and i bruise - so it wouldn't be a whack by other peoples standards.
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Re: do you indulge in spanking
I agree that some will bruise easily and in those cases one should not be too quick to jump to conclusions that the parents are mistreating their kids.
#162
Re: do you indulge in spanking
If your kid is one of those ones who bruise easily, just hit them on the head, where the hair will hide any marks.
#164
Re: do you indulge in spanking
I've come late to this thread and do not feel inclined to read all 11 pages, but last night I was watching one of those TV programs about training problem dogs, and there was a wonderful soppy golden lab who (it was said) was completely untrainable.
The remedial guy took him home and set about trying to teach him to sit. The dog was all over everything and ate everything else, all in a very amiable manner. At no time did the guy try to tell the dog "NO" or chastise him, but patiently waited until a correct behaviour was demonstrated, usually randomly, and then rewarded him with treats.
The dog soon began to pick up that certain behaviours got rewards, and I didn't see the end result, but you could tell that it was working, and quickly. Negative behaviours were ignored, and positive behaviours rewarded.
I believe the same works with children. I wish I could say I never smacked mine. I smacked the first boy far too much in his early years and that was poor parenting and lack of self-control on my part. The younger one I hit once that I remember. Again it was because I lost my temper, and it was a big shock to both of us! Incidentally (or not) I have a much closer relationship with my younger. (but am gradually growing closer to the elder boy, which is great)
The remedial guy took him home and set about trying to teach him to sit. The dog was all over everything and ate everything else, all in a very amiable manner. At no time did the guy try to tell the dog "NO" or chastise him, but patiently waited until a correct behaviour was demonstrated, usually randomly, and then rewarded him with treats.
The dog soon began to pick up that certain behaviours got rewards, and I didn't see the end result, but you could tell that it was working, and quickly. Negative behaviours were ignored, and positive behaviours rewarded.
I believe the same works with children. I wish I could say I never smacked mine. I smacked the first boy far too much in his early years and that was poor parenting and lack of self-control on my part. The younger one I hit once that I remember. Again it was because I lost my temper, and it was a big shock to both of us! Incidentally (or not) I have a much closer relationship with my younger. (but am gradually growing closer to the elder boy, which is great)
#165
Re: do you indulge in spanking
I've come late to this thread and do not feel inclined to read all 11 pages, but last night I was watching one of those TV programs about training problem dogs, and there was a wonderful soppy golden lab who (it was said) was completely untrainable.
The remedial guy took him home and set about trying to teach him to sit. The dog was all over everything and ate everything else, all in a very amiable manner. At no time did the guy try to tell the dog "NO" or chastise him, but patiently waited until a correct behaviour was demonstrated, usually randomly, and then rewarded him with treats.
The dog soon began to pick up that certain behaviours got rewards, and I didn't see the end result, but you could tell that it was working, and quickly. Negative behaviours were ignored, and positive behaviours rewarded.
I believe the same works with children. I wish I could say I never smacked mine. I smacked the first boy far too much in his early years and that was poor parenting and lack of self-control on my part. The younger one I hit once that I remember. Again it was because I lost my temper, and it was a big shock to both of us! Incidentally (or not) I have a much closer relationship with my younger. (but am gradually growing closer to the elder boy, which is great)
The remedial guy took him home and set about trying to teach him to sit. The dog was all over everything and ate everything else, all in a very amiable manner. At no time did the guy try to tell the dog "NO" or chastise him, but patiently waited until a correct behaviour was demonstrated, usually randomly, and then rewarded him with treats.
The dog soon began to pick up that certain behaviours got rewards, and I didn't see the end result, but you could tell that it was working, and quickly. Negative behaviours were ignored, and positive behaviours rewarded.
I believe the same works with children. I wish I could say I never smacked mine. I smacked the first boy far too much in his early years and that was poor parenting and lack of self-control on my part. The younger one I hit once that I remember. Again it was because I lost my temper, and it was a big shock to both of us! Incidentally (or not) I have a much closer relationship with my younger. (but am gradually growing closer to the elder boy, which is great)
Agree totally, reward good behavior, set boundaries and stick to them, children need them to feel secure, they need to know you are in control in a nice way there is no need to smack them.