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Partially discharged Feb 10th 2016 6:48 am

Re: A culture of lies and two faced talk
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 11863582)
its like those that emigrate from the UK giving the reason 'there isn't anything there for them, no future, the people, government & anything else sucks - to the UK is a shit hole' . So, I'm going to get as far away as possible to some place such as Canada or somewhere else that will be way better for me than staying in the UK

Then when some get to the new found land, all they do is whinge & compare to back home, the water is different, the food, the culture & why is it only me that sees this & no one else does?

Yeah...and the real deal killer..the 'Smarties' are different.

I think it's time to move on. The OP was a class A whinger who thought the world owed her a favour.

Oink Feb 10th 2016 7:10 am

Re: A culture of lies and two faced talk
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 11863170)
How about being courteous and rude? As in "with the greatest respect..." usually followed by something insulting like "that's the biggest load of tripe I've ever heard."

:lol:

My nan always said, 'If you haven't got anything nice to say, then **** off.'

I am I said Feb 10th 2016 7:26 am

Re: A culture of lies and two faced talk
 
A traveler came upon an old farmer hoeing in his field beside the road. Eager to rest his feet, the wanderer hailed the countryman, who seemed happy enough to straighten his back and talk for a moment.
"What sort of people live in the next town?" asked the stranger.

"What were the people like where you've come from?" replied the farmer, answering the question with another question.

"They were a bad lot. Troublemakers all, and lazy too. The most selfish people in the world, and not a one of them to be trusted. I'm happy to be leaving the scoundrels."

"Is that so?" replied the old farmer. "Well, I'm afraid that you'll find the same sort in the next town.

Disappointed, the traveler trudged on his way, and the farmer returned to his work.

Some time later another stranger, coming from the same direction, hailed the farmer, and they stopped to talk. "What sort of people live in the next town?" he asked.

"What were the people like where you've come from?" replied the farmer once again.

"They were the best people in the world. Hard working, honest, and friendly. I'm sorry to be leaving them."

"Fear not," said the farmer. "You'll find the same sort in the next town."

vanity Feb 10th 2016 3:10 pm

Re: A culture of lies and two faced talk
 

Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 11863478)
I think i must have been one of those lucky ones too, i dont think i have ever had such friends that will go to the extra mile in lending me a hand when i need their help. I class myself lucky to have some great friends in the UK, but some Canadians have even surpassed that.

I think it must depend on where you are in Canada, as much as i have complained about certain things living in Peterborough, the people are great.

I lived in Cambridge for the first 9 months of living in Canada, and that place was a different story, i felt like a total outsider there, many seemed offish and distant, glad i got the chance to move elsewhere. :thumbsup:

Glad it's a good place :thumbsup:

vanity Feb 10th 2016 3:12 pm

Re: A culture of lies and two faced talk
 

Originally Posted by Partially discharged (Post 11863645)
Yeah...and the real deal killer..the 'Smarties' are different.

I think it's time to move on. The OP was a class A whinger who thought the world owed her a favour.

Was? It's moved on? I'm glad you know everything that has happened and what I am - the genius that you are! Glad that you have it all sorted out. Thanks for the encouragement too - always appreciated, mate, or should I say, Miss.

vanity Feb 10th 2016 3:14 pm

Re: A culture of lies and two faced talk
 

Originally Posted by Tirytory (Post 11863580)
Good Post.

I've met lovely lovely people who have gone out of their way to help us settle in, even to the point where someone I barely knew at the time volunteered her husband who I hadn't met to help us move house- we hadn't been in the country six months at the time..he duly turned up, helped us move and we've been friends since... Just one example.. I can cite many more. Likewise, I'm trying to pay it forward when I meet new people into the area.

Tbh your response to Dorothy says much about you:sneaky:

If you say so. How many times on this forum, when someone comes on for a nice bit of relief, does someone invariably stupid, say "Piss off to somewhere else if you don't like it"

If that isn't your dose of Daily Fail ownership, I don't know what is. My response to her/him stands.

vanity Feb 10th 2016 3:22 pm

Re: A culture of lies and two faced talk
 

Originally Posted by JonboyE (Post 11863551)
I don't agree with this. I live in roughly the same place as the OP. The OP seems to have the most miserable experiences possible yet I have a great life and enjoy the people I meet.

I get that people find change difficult. One of my "things" in my former corporate life was the implementation of ERP systems. This involved a great deal of change in the way people managed their work practices and there was inevitably a great deal of resistance from the workforce. Getting people to accept the new software was a much tougher job than implementing the technology. You gradually win people round by showing them that the benefits to them outweigh the pain of learning new ways of doing things.

There was always a rump of people who just would not accept change, no matter what. They failed at their job tasks (often deliberately) and blamed the new software. Some would even go as far as to sabotage the system to prove they are right to refuse to change.

Emigration is also a huge and disruptive change. A positive person focuses on enjoying the things that are different and good and finds a workaround of things that are different and not so good. A negative person focuses on the things that are not so good, but over time comes to accept them and starts to appreciate the goods things. A very negative person gets stuck on the things that are not so good and cannot see past them.

Just like people who blame new software for their inability to do their job some immigrants prefer to blame "Canada" or "Canadians" for their inability to adapt.

In short, I think it is who you are, not where you are.

Thanks, Sir John, perfect summation and understanding of what I've seen and experienced. And yes nothing positive has happened oh dear, oh whine, oh dear. I've not helped anyone, everything's been terrible. The people, the weather, wow, the disruption that people like me just cannot get over.

The problem with people of your ilk is you think you know what has happened, or what I've experienced recently - you don't. This forum is a stinkpot of cheap people taking cheap shots when they know nothing about the person/situation.

Out of all the years on this forum, I've complained about the job market being much smaller/difficult to navigate for me than London, and real estate prices, and now this. And as some people may realize, I don't live on this forum. Sometimes I come for some fellow expat whinging and support. Wow - huge problem.

That makes me a very difficult immigrant does it? Looking for all the issues? You have no idea what I've done or have experienced lately. I said in my later posts that the counter balances are fair: I've met many nice people, and I do find it depends on the circle, but in some there is a distinctive culture of saying things that don't ring true or saying things and not following through - akin to Steve's post in the OP. I have met many great people also, but this was a RANT post get it?

Just because you sit there doing taxes for nice people doesn't mean you know what my experiences are. Your corporate level judgement and your hypocrisy can stay where it belongs - with you. Thanks though JonBoy.

vanity Feb 10th 2016 3:23 pm

Re: A culture of lies and two faced talk
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 11862666)

The only exception to that would be my immediate family - the rest of the world can go screw off

Well sure it's possible to have this attitude but pretty sad state of mind isn't it? Or maybe you are just smarter :lol:

vanity Feb 10th 2016 3:25 pm

Re: A culture of lies and two faced talk
 

Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow (Post 11862887)
Being an old codger - there used to be a thread on that, once - I must say I like the idea of people being courteous to me, even if they're insincere. Better than being sincerely rude, surely?

Well there's a place for you here, that's for sure ;)
Cheers.

Stinkypup Feb 10th 2016 3:29 pm

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So.....could we maybe interest you in a meet-up Vanity?? :confused:

vanity Feb 10th 2016 3:36 pm

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If you're serious of course. But make sure to invite JonBoy so we can check out his corporate dazzling ERP skills in person. If you're having a go: To you - We're good. Have a good night either way :)

Dorothy Feb 10th 2016 4:24 pm

Re: A culture of lies and two faced talk
 

Originally Posted by vanity (Post 11864022)
If you say so. How many times on this forum, when someone comes on for a nice bit of relief, does someone invariably stupid, say "Piss off to somewhere else if you don't like it"

If that isn't your dose of Daily Fail ownership, I don't know what is. My response to her/him stands.

Her. The name Dorothy shouldbe the first clue. Saying that though, I have never read the Daily Mail so have no idea what you are on about.

You know, your responses seem to be full of insults for anyone who doesn't subscribe to your hatred of all things Canadian. I think this shows a bit of a lack of maturity on your part. Nobody - at least not me - has called you stupid or told you to go **** yourself. You might want to take a look in the mirror for a clue as to what it is Canadians find off putting. I know if I bitch and moan all day about how much I can't stand Australians they wouldn't be very friendly to me either. There comes a time when you have to decide whether you want to suck it up or leave. But complaining that 26 million people suck is not going to help you win any popularity contests.

ann m Feb 10th 2016 4:26 pm

Re: A culture of lies and two faced talk
 

Originally Posted by vanity (Post 11864027)
Thanks, Sir John, perfect summation and understanding of what I've seen and experienced. And yes nothing positive has happened oh dear, oh whine, oh dear. I've not helped anyone, everything's been terrible. The people, the weather, wow, the disruption that people like me just cannot get over.

The problem with people of your ilk is ........Your corporate level judgement and your hypocrisy can stay where it belongs - with you. Thanks though JonBoy.

Holy crap, that was some response. :blink: you've just dissed one of the nicest, most helpful, even-tempered and 'normal' folks on this forum. Way to go.

Stinkypup Feb 10th 2016 4:27 pm

Re: A culture of lies and two faced talk
 

Originally Posted by Dorothy (Post 11864061)
Her. The name Dorothy shouldbe the first clue. Saying that though, I have never read the Daily Mail so have no idea what you are on about.

You know, your responses seem to be full of insults for anyone who doesn't subscribe to your hatred of all things Canadian. I think this shows a bit of a lack of maturity on your part. Nobody - at least not me - has called you stupid or told you to go **** yourself. You might want to take a look in the mirror for a clue as to what it is Canadians find off putting. I know if I bitch and moan all day about how much I can't stand Australians they wouldn't be very friendly to me either. There comes a time when you have to decide whether you want to suck it up or leave. But complaining that 26 million people suck is not going to help you win any popularity contests.

Your a gal???!!!:confused: That's my middle name

Dorothy Feb 10th 2016 4:31 pm

Re: A culture of lies and two faced talk
 

Originally Posted by Stinkypup (Post 11864064)
Your a gal???!!!:confused: That's my middle name

Oh my God! What a coincidence! My middle name is Stinkypup. Maybe we're related.


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