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dbd33 Jan 18th 2018 11:18 am

Re: The country we left behind
 

Originally Posted by llysmabley (Post 12422056)
I see problems ahead for Canada post marujana legislation, especially on the roads
Looking at the drug problem in the UK and USA, I imagine most of the hard drug users started on pot and worked their way up to oblivion. Making that first step legal can only lead to more hard core cases in the future.
What then ?

In Canada, probably in the rest of the world too, but to my certain knowledge in Canada:

- weed is freely available everywhere, legalization will not affect the availability

- most of the population have tried it even if they didn't inhale

- most people are not on hard drugs despite trying weed

- those who are on hard drugs will have tried weed. They'll also have tried poutine (perhaps after the weed) but correlation isn't causation

- the typical gateway to meth and heroin is prescription pain killers

- the volume of drugs widely available is such that the authorities have no hope of prosecuting all the vendors so they concentrate on public health. This means focusing on fentanyl to such an extent that it's now takes an effort to get busted for selling anything else or even operating a grow op.

- legalizing marijuana is an issue for the authorities because drug cases typically turn on the legality of the search. So long as marijuana is illegal "smelled weed" is probable cause for a search, "smelled cocaine" is not.

- the standard of driving, at least in the GTA, is such that those drivers who are not drunk could use a spliff.

Zoe Bell Jan 19th 2018 1:44 am

Re: The country we left behind
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12422207)
In Canada, probably in the rest of the world too, but to my certain knowledge in Canada:

- weed is freely available everywhere, legalization will not affect the availability

- most of the population have tried it even if they didn't inhale

- most people are not on hard drugs despite trying weed

- those who are on hard drugs will have tried weed. They'll also have tried poutine (perhaps after the weed) but correlation isn't causation

- the typical gateway to meth and heroin is prescription pain killers

- the volume of drugs widely available is such that the authorities have no hope of prosecuting all the vendors so they concentrate on public health. This means focusing on fentanyl to such an extent that it's now takes an effort to get busted for selling anything else or even operating a grow op.

- legalizing marijuana is an issue for the authorities because drug cases typically turn on the legality of the search. So long as marijuana is illegal "smelled weed" is probable cause for a search, "smelled cocaine" is not.

- the standard of driving, at least in the GTA, is such that those drivers who are not drunk could use a spliff.

Sadly i can't say I disagree with any of the above.

the point about prescription painkillers is particularly true. Despite there being a well documented issue with over prescribing of painkillers and a lucrative black market in them, I couldn't believe the quantities in which I was prescribed them for a simple tooth extraction.

I didn't fill the script. Tylenol was all that was needed

Souvy Jan 19th 2018 2:17 am

Re: The country we left behind
 

Originally Posted by Zoe Bell (Post 12422568)
Sadly i can't say I disagree with any of the above.

the point about prescription painkillers is particularly true. Despite there being a well documented issue with over prescribing of painkillers and a lucrative black market in them, I couldn't believe the quantities in which I was prescribed them for a simple tooth extraction.

I didn't fill the script. Tylenol was all that was needed

I completely agree. I had a wisdom tooth out a couple of years ago. Not a big deal. A prescription for 30 Tylenol 3s?

Really?

bats Jan 19th 2018 4:26 am

Re: The country we left behind
 

Originally Posted by Souvy (Post 12422587)
I completely agree. I had a wisdom tooth out a couple of years ago. Not a big deal. A prescription for 30 Tylenol 3s?

Really?

Ooo I like them. Still got any?

Souvy Jan 19th 2018 4:44 am

Re: The country we left behind
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 12422670)
Ooo I like them. Still got any?

No. I flogged them at the local high school.

BristolUK Jan 19th 2018 4:46 am

Re: The country we left behind
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 12422670)
Ooo I like them. Still got any?

Ty3 are very useful to have a ready supply but even those with only 8mg Codeine are not bad.

But last I heard they were going to change even those to needing a prescription.

BristolUK Jan 19th 2018 4:47 am

Re: The country we left behind
 

Originally Posted by Souvy (Post 12422680)
No. I flogged them at the local high school.

If I'd known you could have sold some ritalin and oxycodone for me.

caretaker Jan 19th 2018 5:06 am

Re: The country we left behind
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12422683)
If I'd known you could have sold some ritalin and oxycodone for me.

Worth keeping a few painkillers for emergencies, but I consider the Ritalin a no-no for anyone with an old heart. I think they used to be the rage on the street here mixed with Talwin to make a sort of kitchen heroin.

BristolUK Jan 19th 2018 5:24 am

Re: The country we left behind
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 12422693)
Worth keeping a few painkillers for emergencies....

Like nuclear war or alien invasion. :lol:

llysmabley Jan 19th 2018 8:34 am

Re: The country we left behind
 
Souvy.

Yes, I live in Canada.
I am 76 years old------What you would probably call a " dinosaur "
You too will be older and wiser one day.

Just kidding!

Novocastrian Jan 19th 2018 8:43 am

Re: The country we left behind
 

Originally Posted by llysmabley (Post 12422817)
Souvy.

Yes, I live in Canada.
I am 76 years old------What you would probably call a " dinosaur "
You too will be older and wiser one day.

Just kidding!

Eh?
i don't think Souvy commented. It might have been me. Dunno.

But I'm already old and wiser thanks. Have been all my life.

caretaker Jan 19th 2018 8:57 am

Re: The country we left behind
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 12422822)
Eh?
i don't think Souvy commented. It might have been me. Dunno.
But I'm already old and wiser thanks. Have been all my life.

I was going to quote the Le Dain Commission when this came up but let it ride.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Dai...l_Use_of_Drugs
"About 12,000 people attended and participated in these hearings, which included testimony from a number of prominent individuals including John Lennon on 22 December 1969 in Montreal, Quebec.[3]"

[Originally Posted by Novocastrian http://britishexpats.com/forum/image...s/viewpost.gif S/hes aso younger than us, I think."]





BristolUK Feb 4th 2018 11:17 pm

Re: The country we left behind
 
DPD courier who was fined for day off to see doctor dies from diabetes

A courier for the parcel giant DPD who was fined for attending a medical appointment to treat his diabetes collapsed and died of the disease...under pressure to cover his round and faced DPD’s £150 daily penalties...collapsed twice, including once into a diabetic coma while at the wheel of his DPD van during deliveries, when the company fined him in July after he went to see a specialist about eye damage caused by diabetes. He collapsed again in September and finally in late December having worked through illness during the Christmas rush. He died at the Royal Bournemouth hospital on 4 January

Shard Feb 4th 2018 11:21 pm

Re: The country we left behind
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12435193)

Unbelievable, isn't it. :(

DandNHill Feb 4th 2018 11:45 pm

Re: The country we left behind
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12435193)

That is just terrible. The article referring to Victorian times I think sums it up nicely.
Poor man having to go through that and poor family to be left behind...
The article was a bit too close to home. While hubby was looking for a job he worked for 8 months as a courier. He’s 53 and diabetic... to earn the money you have to work a 12/14 hr day which doesn’t really leave much time for your health.
Thankfully there was never any suggestion of being fined but he never went to any doctors appointments during that time, only taking time off for interviews.
This is 2018 right?


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