Coronavirus
#6061
Re: Coronavirus
I guess, they had to back down to keep the NHS from completely colapsing?
I think this statement is a bit suggestive. And it's hardly life saving, if un vaccinated medical staff are around, it may be, but it decreases the certainty.
To me, an unvaccinated health worker, is something similar as one using a dirty needle to inject something life saving.
It's only a ridiculous idea.
I think this statement is a bit suggestive. And it's hardly life saving, if un vaccinated medical staff are around, it may be, but it decreases the certainty.
To me, an unvaccinated health worker, is something similar as one using a dirty needle to inject something life saving.
It's only a ridiculous idea.
I agree that it's irresponsible for healthcare staff not to be vaccinated. And you would think they would have learned about the principles of infectious disease during their training.
#6062
Re: Coronavirus
Eh? If the vaccines work and you are vaccinated, what does it matter that someone treating you isn't? If the person being treated is not vaccinated, they have made their decision and can hardly complain if another has made the same decision
#6063
Re: Coronavirus
#6064
Re: Coronavirus
Therefore you know that what matters in being treated by someone unvaccinated is the greater chance of them passing it to you and the possibility that as they are more likely to suffer ill effects if they do get covid, their actual treatment might be substandard and actually dangerous.
We know you are not stupid. So what is your motivation behind such comments?
#6065
Re: Coronavirus
It does matter. Maybe the triple vaccinated patient is 80+, or has an underlaying health condition, or due to an health condition cannot be vaccinated. Even though they are vaccinated they could still get very ill, or worse, from Covid. Anyone who is vaccinated can still get the virus, but more importantly they can pass it on.
#6066
Re: Coronavirus
OK. So, if what you have stated is correct, how is the patient in your example to benefit from the vaccinated healthcare worker versus the unvaccinated healthcare worker? I would imagine that there is a requirement for all healthcare workers to be tested so as to show that they do not have it and, therefore, are at risk from passing it on.
#6067
Re: Coronavirus
From previous discussions it is clear you know that the unvaccinated are more likely to suffer ill effects from covid and more likely to pass it on.
Therefore you know that what matters in being treated by someone unvaccinated is the greater chance of them passing it to you and the possibility that as they are more likely to suffer ill effects if they do get covid, their actual treatment might be substandard and actually dangerous.
We know you are not stupid. So what is your motivation behind such comments?
Therefore you know that what matters in being treated by someone unvaccinated is the greater chance of them passing it to you and the possibility that as they are more likely to suffer ill effects if they do get covid, their actual treatment might be substandard and actually dangerous.
We know you are not stupid. So what is your motivation behind such comments?
It's to point out the hypocrisy of the vaccinated/unvaccinated debate.
One assumes that all healthcare workers must be tested everyday. If they are not, I would ask: Why not? Being vaccinated does not mean that one cannot pass it on as has been demonstrated.
If they are and everyone is clear, whether vaccinated or not, you will have to explain to me what the issue is.
#6068
Re: Coronavirus
It does matter. Maybe the triple vaccinated patient is 80+, or has an underlaying health condition, or due to an health condition cannot be vaccinated. Even though they are vaccinated they could still get very ill, or worse, from Covid. Anyone who is vaccinated can still get the virus, but more importantly they can pass it on.
It's surprising that the basics of infectious disease are so hard for some to understand.
#6069
Re: Coronavirus
#6070
Re: Coronavirus
One assumes that all healthcare workers must be tested everyday. If they are not, I would ask: Why not?
Being vaccinated does not mean that one cannot pass it on as has been demonstrated.
If they are and everyone is clear, whether vaccinated or not, you will have to explain to me what the issue is
If you're treated by an unvaccinated person the chances of getting covid from them are, thus, higher than being treated by a vaccinated person.
#6071
Re: Coronavirus
It's precisely because I understand the basics that I have made the comments that I have made above. Please explain the issue to me, from your point of view, so that I can understand your position, in light of what I have stated above.
#6072
Re: Coronavirus
Yes. Constantly looking for loopholes or contradictory information. There was someone on BBC Question Time last week arguing with a senior immunologist based on readings he had done on the internet. The host even had to point out the absurdity of the situation.
#6073
Re: Coronavirus
If you accept that the vaccinated can pass on the virus, could you please explain to me why you believe that healthcare workers that are not vaccinated are more dangerous to their patients than those that have been vaccinated are? What danger do they present that a vaccinated one doesn't?
#6074
Re: Coronavirus
We've been through it before AC, at length. At best you could argue here that you are prepared to accept a higher infection rate (in hospitals) than those of us that want vaccine mandates.
#6075
Re: Coronavirus
Nope. I have not put words into your mouth. I said you know of the facts mentioned.We have both talked about it, with references to back it up and I know the same thing has been said by others to you.
I believe they are screened every day. I imagine the resources needed for testing everyone every day might be problematic. The rapid kits are already in such short supply in places that people with symptoms are even discouraged (stay home and watch for symptoms) from trying to get them unless they are in an at risk group and it's more important to know.
Yes, just as it has been demonstrated that the vaccinated are less likely to pass it on (infectious for a shorter period) and if they do pass it on, it's been shown that it's a lighter load.
The issue is that an unvaccinated person who gets covid is infectious for longer and likely to pass on a higher covid load, than a vaccinated person who gets covid. There, that's twice.
If you're treated by an unvaccinated person the chances of getting covid from them are, thus, higher than being treated by a vaccinated person.
I believe they are screened every day. I imagine the resources needed for testing everyone every day might be problematic. The rapid kits are already in such short supply in places that people with symptoms are even discouraged (stay home and watch for symptoms) from trying to get them unless they are in an at risk group and it's more important to know.
Yes, just as it has been demonstrated that the vaccinated are less likely to pass it on (infectious for a shorter period) and if they do pass it on, it's been shown that it's a lighter load.
The issue is that an unvaccinated person who gets covid is infectious for longer and likely to pass on a higher covid load, than a vaccinated person who gets covid. There, that's twice.
If you're treated by an unvaccinated person the chances of getting covid from them are, thus, higher than being treated by a vaccinated person.