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Old Jan 4th 2016 | 5:11 pm
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Originally Posted by Oink
That's not a problem, there would still be resident requirements. If you live in New York and want to attend university in California you have to establish residency or you will have to pay considerably more. It can take awhile.
Interesting...

I meant 'maybe' as a general term. I personally have no interest in living in the USA but others might.
 
Old Jan 4th 2016 | 5:41 pm
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This whole idea reminds of a UKIP manifesto I wasted my time reading back in 1997.

The British Empire is dead. Forget about it.

We used to have freedom of movement between Britain and her Dominions, I note that everyone seems to have forgotten about the Dominion of South Africa, hmm... I wonder why... too many black people, perhaps?

The UK has freedom of movement with neighbouring countries, Australia and New Zealand are neighbouring countries and have freedom of movement. Canada has freer movement with the US than other countries enjoy - because geography and trade with neighbouring countries is called: "reality".

Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the UK used to have a freedom of movement arrangement called the "British Empire" and everyone was a British citizen, which was scrapped in the 1940s.

This assumption of a close cultural bond is really silly as well, "we all speak English", really, so the 23% of people who speak French don't count then?

Why not have a freedom of movement agreement with France and the OIF countries? The logic is the same.

Basically it's a load of tosh put forward by people who don't qualify for immigration into Australia. Tough.
 
Old Jan 4th 2016 | 5:45 pm
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Originally Posted by beckiwoo
When they sort out the unfair healthcare system for all their citizens then maybe.
What's that got to do with freedom of movement? If there was actual real freedom of movement to the US I'm pretty sure there'd be more Canadians moving to the US than vice versa, which is why the Canadian govt. has consistently opposed it, they're afraid of the "brain drain" and their tax base moving south.

And the Canadian healthcare system ranks quite low among OECD countries anyway.
 
Old Jan 4th 2016 | 6:31 pm
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Originally Posted by rivingtonpike
The problem is that it is being proposed under the banner of 4 "Commonwealth" countries. What about the other 48 countries? Why should they be discriminated against?
Originally Posted by Oink
Operating a "Commonwealth Freedom of Movement" policy that effectively excludes people of the Commonwealth who are black and brown seems pretty racist to me.
People seem to be getting very hung up on the name. Choose a different name or none at all. It's not the sticking point you think it is.

The scheme would be based on citizenship not race. Plenty of non-white AUSCANNZUK citizens just as there are plenty of white citizens of other Commonwealth member states. The main qualifying factor wouldn't be whether your country is predominately white but rather if its economy is sufficiently advanced so you can add Singapore, Malta and Cyprus into the mix as well.
 
Old Jan 4th 2016 | 7:13 pm
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Originally Posted by Steve_
What's that got to do with freedom of movement? If there was actual real freedom of movement to the US I'm pretty sure there'd be more Canadians moving to the US than vice versa, which is why the Canadian govt. has consistently opposed it, they're afraid of the "brain drain" and their tax base moving south.

And the Canadian healthcare system ranks quite low among OECD countries anyway.
OK calm down Mr. 'I think America is the best country ever'.

Where is your proof that Canada ranks lower then the USA?

Edit: found what I was looking for:

http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/

Canada still rates higher then the US - boom!

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Old Jan 4th 2016 | 7:33 pm
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Originally Posted by BritInParis
People seem to be getting very hung up on the name. Choose a different name or none at all. It's not the sticking point you think it is.

The scheme would be based on citizenship not race. Plenty of non-white AUSCANNZUK citizens just as there are plenty of white citizens of other Commonwealth member states. The main qualifying factor wouldn't be whether your country is predominately white but rather if its economy is sufficiently advanced so you can add Singapore, Malta and Cyprus into the mix as well.
You seem to assume that such Commonwealth countries would want to join this scheme. As I said in post 42 India would not allow free movement into the country.
 
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Basically it's a load of tosh put forward by people who don't qualify for immigration into Australia. Tough.[/QUOTE]

Easy enough for you to say maybe, but some people who were otherwise eligible for PR (myself included) have been unfairly affected by the red tape surrounding the immigration process.
It's not like any person would be able to just move between the countries and place a burden on their destination country's infranstructure, there would still be eligibility criteria to pass
 
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Originally Posted by beckiwoo
OK calm down Mr. 'I think America is the best country ever'. Where is your proof that Canada ranks lower then the USA? Edit: found what I was looking for: World Health Organization’s Ranking of the World’s Health Systems | thepatientfactor.com Canada still rates higher then the US - boom!
Two points confused ???
1st point is that he states that Canada is more likely to lose population to the US than gain ............ A very fair and I believe valid point
Separately he state that the Canadian heath care system isn't that great, one your chart point out all too well..
 
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Originally Posted by MikeUK
...the Canadian heath care system isn't that great, one your chart point out all too well..
But if the issue is one of movement between USA and Canada, then its overall rating is irrelevant as the only comparison should be between the two countries.

"Look, your country has a low ranking....yes I know we're even lower but your country is still low"
 
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But if the issue is one of movement between USA and Canada, then its overall rating is irrelevant as the only comparison should be between the two countries. "Look, your country has a low ranking....yes I know we're even lower but your country is still low"
Frankly All I did was point out two statements were confused and mixed up

however I do agree that many in Canada spend a lot of time comparing them selves to the US on the Low and Lower scale
 
Old Jan 5th 2016 | 1:47 am
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Two points confused ???
1st point is that he states that Canada is more likely to lose population to the US than gain ............ A very fair and I believe valid point
Not according to the Canadians I have spoken to about the USA. They have no interest in living there. Even less so right now with the presidential election stuff going on.
 
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The WHO report is a bit dated, published in 2000 using data from the late 90's.

Healthcare in Canada is varies quite a lot anyhow depending on where in Canada you happen to be, it's certainly not on an equal and level playing field in Canada, and we could do a whole lot better.

I don't want a US style system here, but not sure we should brag about the system we have either.

Here is one report I found scoring the different provinces.

Health - Provincial and Territorial Ranking - How Canada Performs
 
Old Jan 5th 2016 | 1:58 am
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Originally Posted by RickD
This is something I have been following very closely for the last few months, it seems to have gained quite a bit of interest from the various countries has been presented to the respective governments, and is now an internationally recognized establishment.

What are your thoughts on it, do you think it could ever become a reality and if not, why?

The Commonwealth Freedom of Movement Organisation
The person running that website has to be getting funded or sponsored to the point he is making a living wage - or, that he has an issue that he or his family is unable to get entry to one of the other commonwealth contries. Which starts the 'stir the $shit campaign'

IMO, this 'commonwealth freedom of movement' will never, ever happen, after all the 'British subject' that many Aus, NZ, Canadians had in their passports is gone - gone forever.

Want to move as a pure Canadian (with no ancestry ties to any other commonwealth country) from Canada to another commonwealth country, then be ready to go down the immigrant route like everyone else. Status quo.

The 'commonwealth freedom of movement' campaign is utter nonsense, and is nothing like the EU.

I like things the way they are right now.
 
Old Jan 5th 2016 | 2:06 am
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Originally Posted by beckiwoo
Not according to the Canadians I have spoken to about the USA. They have no interest in living there. Even less so right now with the presidential election stuff going on.
I'm a Canadian and in many professions you have a far greater chance of getting ahead financially if you head south.

A relaxing of the border would harmonize wages too.

The healthcare thing is a bit naff. Britain has a different healthcare system to other EU countries and yet the EU is a good thing in my opinion.

Oink has provided a good solution. And Oink won more awards than anyone at Christmas so that is good enough for me.
 
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James Skinner from a web search. Is this what he is all about?

Is he going from country to country on a working holiday visa?

Makes you wonder if was doing this in all the other countries that he lived in?

https://typicalbritto.wordpress.com/...james-skinner/

c&p'd from that link

This is something that happened to James on two separate occasions. He lived and worked in Melbourne (Australia) for over a year, and despite wanting to stay, his options for continuing his work permit and applying for permanent residency were not viable.

He now lives in Vancouver (Canada), and just recently, he found out that despite living in the Pacific coast city for nearly 2 years, working in an established law firm with a good salary, contributing taxes to the government and integrating within Canadian society with a clean record, his chances of actually staying and receiving permanent residency are exceptionally slim due to new immigration rules, effective as of January 2015.
 


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