bats

What does this have to do with accruing pay for sick days not taken?? If anything it might encourage workers to go to work when sick so they can take time off when they are well, or save the money up.

As for policing sick leave then there are procedures for managing absence from work. They work.

bats

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Almost Canadian

I don't believe anyone is blaming the public sector. If I have read this thread correctly, the issue appears to be that some are not happy that some in the public sector appear to be able to "benefit" financially, from not being sick by collecting an amount that should be used to ensure that those that are sick are not disadvantaged financially.

I guess it would be a bit like being able to claim a welfare payment upon retirement, for the fact that, during one's working life, one did not rely upon welfare as much as others have.

I blame the Unions

Alan2005

Average public sector worker uses double the sick time of a private sector worker. How do you explain that?

Average private sector worker is not an investment banker.

Former Lancastrian

As I pointed out some workers get to accrue sick time and others dont or can only earn a maximum number of hours. Some contracts allow for workers to cash in a number of hours while others dont. There are arguments for and against this method. I dont get any bonuses for unused sick time so I have no horse in this race. Perhaps my ethics and values are different to others. Why would I want someone working next to me when they are sick especially if the sickness can be transmitted to others.
If sick stay at home.

Former Lancastrian

Thats easy they have accumulated X amount of hours sick time or reached their maximum allowance and cannot earn anymore. They have seen the abuse in the system so they figure hmmm Im going to pull a sicky be it a Friday or Monday of a long weekend.

Yes I know the average worker is not an investment banker but again the public sector is not profit driven whereas the private sector is.
My Agency is not in the business of making a profit for the Govt and neither are the vast majority of other Govt depts. Yes we do have some cost recovery fees for certain practices. It has always been argued that the private sector is more efficient at doing certain things than the Govt.
So here is one for you to answer and ponder about.
If they privatized Passport Canada do you think the system would be run better and that passports would be cheaper?

Alan2005

Yes.

However that's not the point. The sick pay system is abused and it should be changed. The problem is that it's seen as a benefit that no union is going to give up. It should not be this way. Employee rights when ill should written into employment in law - none of this banking time or bonus for not lying crap that goes on now.

Former Lancastrian

There again one can read the Unions (my union) latest propaganda message about sick time in the Federal Public Service in response to the CFIB report on sick time that probably Alan2005 is referring to
http://www.psac-afpc.com/news/2012/i...121207-e.shtml

britsnake

Where I work, the term sick leave is not used for anything less than three day off. Instead we use the term wellness. We are entitled to 1.25 days of wellness per month. We can use this time untill sick leave kicks in or we can just use it when we do not feel like going in to work, no questions asked and no stigma attached.

If we do not use all our wellness, 50% is carried forward into the following year as vacation time.

As for sick pay, We get paid only 75% of gross income for the first 6 months falling to 67% for the next 18 months. But of course they have worked it so it is tax free.

As for bonuses, we received a loyalty bonus earlier in the year (it paid for my summer vacation).

At chrismas time we receive a nominal bonus of about $100. In the past they used to give everyone a turkey but now they give us each money to buy a turkey, plus pay the bill at the restaurant for the staff christmas dinner.

My work is funded by health Canada, and they want to have a heathy workforce, and the use of Wellness encourages this. Nobody abuses this right and we have a much happier workforce and extremely low staff turnover as a result.

Former Lancastrian

Im not disagreeing with you merely showing that there is a culture out there of people who will take advantage of any system. Cant afford to pay for house insurance or car insurance well dont pay it and hope your house doesnt catch fire or you have an accident.
Banned from driving well just carry on driving chances are the filth wont pull you over.
Not available to work because you are on the beach in Mexico for 2 weeks sure just keep claiming your EI payments.
Dont agree with the booze limit sure just smuggle extra bottles in.
Dont want to pay a contracter the going rate sure just offer cash and dont put it on the books.
Sure claim on your income tax this and that as a tax break and hope you dont get audited.
This culture will never change because it costs you extra money or paying more in taxes and we cant have that now can we
How do you change the above or do we just pick and choose what suits us as individuals and to hell with the rest?

cheeky_monkey

i only ever got 2 xmas bonus in all the years i worked in the UK and then they were a couple hundred notes..the bonus usually was that you still had a job in January..I never expect a xmas bonus or count on it even if i know that im getting one..this year i got mine last week..nice little 10% of my yearly salary..so im flying home business class for xmas as a treat.

Oink

I've read Publius and until the unjust tyrannous power of the LCB’s are checked then I say bollox to the limits. According to natural law, we have to the right, albeit the duty to revolt against such unjust powers and I bring in sausages.

Former Lancastrian

And I dont have a problem with that per se however one should accept that if doing that then one should keep gob shut if caught doing it.
Rather than pointing out the obvious limitation of freedoms and the tyranny perhaps gob shut practice may result in a CBSA officer giving you a verbal warning and not seizing the said items or collecting on them

Alan2005

For most of those there are risks and the consequences are actually quite bad if you get caught. The difference between that and sick days is that there is no reward for not doing them.

Sure, there will always be people that game any system. It just seems that a system that is so easily gamed needs improvement. Like EI I don't expect this to change. The unions won't accept it, and it gives the employers something to agree to keep in return for low wage rises.

Former Lancastrian

Interesting point you make about Passport Canada.
So lets say it went over to the private sector would it be then profit based or just merely cost recovery?
Would the passports still be printed in Canada or farmed out overseas to the lowest bidder. Would their call center be located in Canada or India?
What do you think a passport would cost?
Would the integrity and security of this system still be in place?
Would the service of renewals be any quicker?