Are we talking Oz Canada or UK now. I have live in Oz and it is just as bad as the UK, Cannot speak for Canada though .

Sterilisation's too good for 'em!

Oh no, where can a person move to and say, "Last one out turn off the lights" then??

that is so very true. My mum and dad buy the Daily hate mail and they get taken in by their sensationalist journalism

Setting the Chav's aside for a moment, what does everyone think about my favorite ex pat? Well, he is in the Uk now but lived in Canada for a few years. http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell

I listened to his anti-religious rant. He's just an intolerant atheist bigot who will burn in hell when the time comes. The sort that would feel right at home in the UK right now. It's a profanation and one of the reasons I left.

You is much smarter than wot I is tho, even though you still ave to go to skuull every day and I is done wiv it.

Here we go again.

Teenage A Level student murdered

Burn in hell when the time comes, wow, you are just really fueling the fire with that mouthful there, pardon the pun. My goodness.

By the way, I had a Canadian girl today doing an ecomap in one of the tutorials I was giving. It's basically a family tree. She was just wondering how to portray the fact that her grandfather married his own sister. Yep, go figure. So lets not assume that behaviour outside the social constructs of what is acceptable in the UK doesn't arise here.

Burn in hell my arse.

An alarmed,

Mrs M x

I'm sorry, but what's this murder got to do with chavs? From what I read there is no indication, as yet, that chav behaviour is involved. It's a sad, disturbing situation but the murderer could well be a 45 year old man with a wife and family.

It might not be chav related but its just another indication of how bad things have gotten. It really sad because the UK of my childhood was nice, but everyone just seems out for themselves and very quick to take offense and attack.

I get your point fully, but do think that things can be pretty rough here too. This is such an old theme for a thread, Canada has it's issues. The UK seems to have experienced a steady decline that's highly publicised due to the 24 hour news culture we live in, how long this decline has been going on for would be hard to say. I believe it would certainly appear that more innocent people appearing to be going about their business are meeting horrible ends in the UK and am aware of two youth based riots in my previous home town that have happened in the last six months in public places with large groups of kids trying attack each other. Ipswich was certainly never that bad when I was a kid.

I think it's all horribly depressing wherever you look at. But I just concentrate on our little community here in Lethbridge and overall, yes it's much better crime wise than my UK hometown. Although the olympic torch barer (?) that was at work yesterday, was as pissed as a royal fart lol!

Mrs M x

Was Kes a chav?

Has it occurred to you Mrs M., that that is exactly why Oink started it.

He's obviously bored today but has inadvertently raised the question as to whether Daily Mail journos are really disaffected intellectuals raised on a diet of postmodernism and econometrics?

They weren't invented in those days.